playing with inside is difficult
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There a lot of shots that require it and it is a big advantage if you a re comfortable with it. This is a fairly common shot along with its evil twin the back cut. Don't hold me to the exact specifications in this drawing. You cannot execute this with outside english. You can never hit the ball hard enough. Outside is reverse coming into the first rail and it kills the ball. Even center ball will not work because collision induced spin will put outside on it. You just need enough inside to overcome this and it is a simple shot that can be reliably executed.
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Pool's not the exception, it's the sample example.
"They" actually say "center's for suckers".
Hitting "center ball" is like golfers trying to hit a ball straight, or a tennis player not using topspin or backspin for control and increasing margin of error.
Pool's not the exception, it's the sample example.....
"They" actually say "center's for suckers".
Hitting "center ball" is like golfers trying to hit a ball straight, or a tennis player not using topspin or backspin for control and increasing margin of error.
Pool's not the exception, it's the sample example.....
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Inside in the open is what I was referring to. Ex: Chopstick's post # 43.
Yes, this is what I was referring to in my earlier post. Makes getting around the table much easier. And the back cut in the other corner easily goes around the opposite direction if you need to put the 10 in the other corner.
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You do enjoy referring to other sports in comparison to pool don't you. A golf drive is nothing like hitting the CB, you would be better off comparing it to a golf putt. Is this the point you tell me...with a few name drops thrown in of course ;-) ....that Tiger actually putts with a TOI? Is that why his short game was so good?"They" actually say "center's for suckers".
Hitting "center ball" is like golfers trying to hit a ball straight, or a tennis player not using topspin or backspin for control and increasing margin of error.
Pool's not the exception, it's the sample example.....
Or tennis, oh how you do love making comparisons to tennis...a game where the ball can not roll along a flat surface, it has to go over a net so obviously hitting centre on a tennis ball isn't going to work unless you hit it soft enough that gravity makes it drop in.
Whilst were at it, why not compare pool to ironing, cooking, and badminton. I'm sure you're capable, you always have such a way with words CJ ��
Absolutely. There are plenty of examples but getting diagrams into posts now days is such a pain. :grin:
Our minds work through comparisons and without having a "referential index" it's....
You don't play golf do you? That's ok, I work a lot with professionals in other sports/games. If you don't play the other games these analogies wouldn't help you very much, although they are extremely useful when teaching players of other disciplines. Our minds work through comparisons and without having a "referential index" it's difficult change old ideas, beliefs, and even emotions.
Tiger Wood's coach Hank Haney and I actually did work on the TOI in putting and on longer putts the pros do actually hit them with an "inside/out" or "outside/in" swing path......like the full swing this actually helps the golf ball stay on a piercing trajectory....it's just on the ground instead of in the air.
These comparisons aren't literal of course, however, it's the fastest, most effective way to transfer thoughts through communication. Building a "bridge" between one game to another is advantageous and I've had impressive success working with golfers, tennis player and carpenters. 'The Game is the Teacher'
You don't play golf do you? That's ok, I work a lot with professionals in other sports/games. If you don't play the other games these analogies wouldn't help you very much, although they are extremely useful when teaching players of other disciplines. Our minds work through comparisons and without having a "referential index" it's difficult change old ideas, beliefs, and even emotions.
Tiger Wood's coach Hank Haney and I actually did work on the TOI in putting and on longer putts the pros do actually hit them with an "inside/out" or "outside/in" swing path......like the full swing this actually helps the golf ball stay on a piercing trajectory....it's just on the ground instead of in the air.
These comparisons aren't literal of course, however, it's the fastest, most effective way to transfer thoughts through communication. Building a "bridge" between one game to another is advantageous and I've had impressive success working with golfers, tennis player and carpenters. 'The Game is the Teacher'
OK. I believe I understand. Early on, most people start using outside. We all learn about throw. I have heard this many times that people say they like outside spin because they can aim at the ball fuller and use throw to pocket the ball. Whether we know it or not, this visual gets ingrained over the years except, that is not what is actually happening. When using outside, deflection throws the cue ball towards a thicker hit so we are actually aiming thinner. This is a very hard illusion to overcome because we can see the ball being thrown and we tell ourselves over and over that we are aiming fuller.
Then we learn about inside english and try to apply it. What happens? Inside deflects the ball to the thin side. We try to apply the same aiming visual as we use for outside which is actually to thin and combined with the deflection of inside we over cut the crap out of the ball. You might even miss the ball completely. You just have to realize what is going on and hit a few shots knowing that you have to aim fuller than you would think. (Yes, even with a Predator)
The other thing, inside "bites" into the ball more because the spin is going opposite the cut. Outside "lubricates" contact because the spin is going with the cut angle. Inside puts spin energy into the object ball and takes it away from the cue ball. With a "Touch of Inside"(tm) you get a cue ball with no spin after contact. With a Touch of Outside you get an object ball with no spin after contact.
Come on down to Memphis and if you can manage to get across town to the pool hall without getting robbed, carjacked, kidnapped or shot, I'd be happy to demonstrate it for you.
TheThaiger
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The shot you diagrammed doesn't bother me. It is when both balls are reasonably central and you have to force stun that twists me melons.
TheThaiger
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OK. I believe I understand. Early on, most people start using outside. We all learn about throw. I have heard this many times that people say they like outside spin because they can aim at the ball fuller and use throw to pocket the ball. Whether we know it or not, this visual gets ingrained over the years except, that is not what is actually happening. When using outside, deflection throws the cue ball towards a thicker hit so we are actually aiming thinner. This is a very hard illusion to overcome because we can see the ball being thrown and we tell ourselves over and over that we are aiming fuller.
Then we learn about inside english and try to apply it. What happens? Inside deflects the ball to the thin side. We try to apply the same aiming visual as we use for outside which is actually to thin and combined with the deflection of inside we over cut the crap out of the ball. You might even miss the ball completely. You just have to realize what is going on and hit a few shots knowing that you have to aim fuller than you would think. (Yes, even with a Predator)
The other thing, inside "bites" into the ball more because the spin is going opposite the cut. Outside "lubricates" contact because the spin is going with the cut angle. Inside puts spin energy into the object ball and takes it away from the cue ball. With a "Touch of Inside"(tm) you get a cue ball with no spin after contact. With a Touch of Outside you get an object ball with no spin after contact.
Come on down to Memphis and if you can manage to get across town to the pool hall without getting robbed, carjacked, kidnapped or shot, I'd be happy to demonstrate it for you.
Thanks. that's useful.
Sounds good. Just no politics, eh?
Can I ask how you are missing the shot? By a country mile or does it at least rattle?
It probably is that you favour one side of the ball more, try shooting in the other pocket with inside and see if that brings you more luck. When a person like me favours one side of the ball, in my case the right hand side, I have a tendency to sweep when I use left hand side. I have to really concentrate to make the shot with left hand side. Also, do you switch you have your head set up for centre ball, or over the cue in the inside position? Try mixing your head position up a bit, it can make all the difference.
OK. I believe I understand. Early on, most people start using outside. We all learn about throw. I have heard this many times that people say they like outside spin because they can aim at the ball fuller and use throw to pocket the ball. Whether we know it or not, this visual gets ingrained over the years except, that is not what is actually happening. When using outside, deflection throws the cue ball towards a thicker hit so we are actually aiming thinner. This is a very hard illusion to overcome because we can see the ball being thrown and we tell ourselves over and over that we are aiming fuller.
Then we learn about inside english and try to apply it. What happens? Inside deflects the ball to the thin side. We try to apply the same aiming visual as we use for outside which is actually to thin and combined with the deflection of inside we over cut the crap out of the ball. You might even miss the ball completely. You just have to realize what is going on and hit a few shots knowing that you have to aim fuller than you would think. (Yes, even with a Predator)
The other thing, inside "bites" into the ball more because the spin is going opposite the cut. Outside "lubricates" contact because the spin is going with the cut angle. Inside puts spin energy into the object ball and takes it away from the cue ball. With a "Touch of Inside"(tm) you get a cue ball with no spin after contact. With a Touch of Outside you get an object ball with no spin after contact.
Come on down to Memphis and if you can manage to get across town to the pool hall without getting robbed, carjacked, kidnapped or shot, I'd be happy to demonstrate it for you.
This isn't all true.....while there will be times it hapens. The shaft ...speed ..distance will give you the correct aiming line.Most of the time ,its a thick hit for me while using outside....110 percent sure of that.
Now im not saying the ball doesnt deflect....Im just saying you dont always need to change the thick aiming line....the ball will come back if you hit it just right.
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TheThaiger
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I missed the entire pocket, which came as a bit of a shock.
So I set it up again and missed the pocket to the other side.
I think you may have something with head position. It just feels...weird, like I'm back to being a beginner again, unbalanced and unsure.
TheThaiger
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IS carpentry a sport these days?
No, but lumberjacking is.
http://lumberjackworldchampionships.com/
-Sean
TheThaiger
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How long have you had to wait to use that one?
Unless Tiger recently switched back, Haney WAS his coach and during one of the least successful periods of Tiger's career. Then Haney goes and releases a book divulging information about Tiger that, in my opinion, was a serious breach of privacy. You may be impressed with Haney but I'm not alone in being less than impressed with him.
The analogies comparing pool to golf are somewhat ridiculous unless you want to compare draw and fade to masse. Draw and fade are accomplished by an open or closed club face, not hitting the golf ball left or right of center.
The analogies comparing pool to golf are somewhat ridiculous unless you want to compare draw and fade to masse. Draw and fade are accomplished by an open or closed club face, not hitting the golf ball left or right of center.
