Please help ID this cue...(pics included)

itsjustjay

itsjustjay

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Hi all,

Please help with the ID of this cue. I bought it from a guy in Canada. The joint looks like a Dufferin or old Brunswick except for that the screw and joint are both silver. I also took a close up pic of the logo on the cue. Which is a small circle like a Brunswick or Dufferin. It also came with 3 matching shafts (2 pictured) of various size tips. Last owner said the cue was around 40 years old. Any thoughts or info would be great.

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it looks like a brunswick cue from that time period. a company named ajay made cues for brunswick back then. not really good quality but innovative designs for the time.
 
It's definitely a Brunswick. I have a friend who has one just like that, but where the medallioin is on your cue, he had "BRUNSWICK" inscribed. But all the other inlays were the same as yours.

Barbara
 
What kind of wood is that? How old is the cue? Does anyone know what kind of inlays are used other then maple?
 
Poolschool said:
What kind of wood is that? How old is the cue? Does anyone know what kind of inlays are used other then maple?
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Thanks for the info guys! I feel its a Brunswich too. I just saw one forsale that had the same type of points that had the B Logo on the butt.

Poolschool. The quality of the cue also feels like a brunswich to me. The MOP looks dake (since I can see threw it). Cue is approx 40 years old. I am not sure of the wood but I think its stained to appear like Ebony. I still like the cue though, it has a nice art deco look to it.
 
I have an old Bruns. that is a POS but its just the fact that its real old. Some of my installers where going to through it away after recieving it from a used table we bought. It has alot of MOP inlays and some other wood inlays but its not in using condition.
 
As far as I can tell.............

> Looking at the joint,which is aluminum,this is more than likely a Dufferin. Tommy D.
 
brunswick had the same design with their name on it, but another company made the cues for them. this is obviously that same company.it's not considered a brunswick unless it says so on the cue. did dufferin make cues for brunswick in the 70's? they use the acrylic bubble in the butt thing.
 
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larrynj1 said:
brunswick had the same design with their name on it, but another company made the cues for them. this is obviously that same company.it's not considered a brunswick unless it says so on the cue. did dufferin make cues for brunswick in the 70's? they use the acrylic bubble in the butt thing.
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Not sure, I did notice a lot of Brunswick look a likes without the logo's. I always wondered if they were brunswick made or not.
 
OK, Tommy D nailed this one. Absolutely no doubt in my mind - it's a Dufferin. Nobody else has a joint like that. Yours happens to be their all aluminum version. Some of the confusion enters the picture because in the '70's Brunswick's Silver Line of cues was made by Dufferin. Not sure if they were widely distributed in the U.S. Mostly Canada and the border states. B'wick started outsourcing cue production in the late '60's. Schmelke, Adam and Dufferin were some of the builders involved. Ultimately, B'wick cue production was all outsourced to Taiwan - the POS's previously spoken of. If yours was a Dufferin Brunswick, it would have the "B" under a circular lucite inlay - absent that, it is a Dufferin and was sold as such - a very nice Dufferin, I might add.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
pizza bob, is this info about brunswick and outsourcing available in print somewhere? i've always been curious as to time periods and logos used and how to identify each. the blue book lists joss and possibly mcdermott production for brunswick, but nothing for the 60-70's. is it definite that all the brunswicks with the b in acrylic bubble were made by dufferin?
tia
 
larrynj1 said:
pizza bob, is this info about brunswick and outsourcing available in print somewhere? i've always been curious as to time periods and logos used and how to identify each. the blue book lists joss and possibly mcdermott production for brunswick, but nothing for the 60-70's. is it definite that all the brunswicks with the b in acrylic bubble were made by dufferin?
tia
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I have a very plain Brunswick cue made by McDermott, it says so on the decal. I bought it new in 1996 or so. Hope this helps.

Dave
 
larrynj1 said:
pizza bob, is this info about brunswick and outsourcing available in print somewhere? i've always been curious as to time periods and logos used and how to identify each. the blue book lists joss and possibly mcdermott production for brunswick, but nothing for the 60-70's. is it definite that all the brunswicks with the b in acrylic bubble were made by dufferin?
tia
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Unfortunately not. All B'wicks records for this time period were destroyed by natural disasters in the early '90's. A lot of the knowledge I gained is anecdotal from cue makers and manufacturers and other collectors. And, no, not all B'wicks with the "B" in the bubble are Dufferin. They used the same trademark on numerous POS's (Taiwanese) from the same time period. It has more to do with the era than which source the cue came from. The Dufferin B'wicks were called the Silver Line though.

Where are you in NJ?

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
larrynj1 said:
it looks like a brunswick cue from that time period. a company named ajay made cues for brunswick back then. not really good quality but innovative designs for the time.
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Sorry, missed this one. Ajay was not a manufacturer, nor did they have anything to do with B'wick. Rather, Ajay was a large importer, and they purchased cues from a lot of the same Taiwanese factories that B'wick used. They knocked-off all kinds of designs, so it's not unusual to see very similar cues with one being branded a B'wick and the other an Ajay or Mosconi, or unmarked. Ajay owned the rights to the Mosconi name after Brunswick relinquished them.

And, while it wasn't you, Larry, the comment about McD production of B'wick cues is well beyond the time period we're speaking of. When B'wick got BACK into the cue business around 1990 or so, they sourced their cues from all over, including, but not necessarily limited to: Taiwan (much better quality this time around), Joss, & McD. The 60's and 70's cues from B'wick are pretty much part of a lost era.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Pizza Bob said:
Sorry, missed this one. Ajay was not a manufacturer, nor did they have anything to do with B'wick. Rather, Ajay was a large importer, and they purchased cues from a lot of the same Taiwanese factories that B'wick used. They knocked-off all kinds of designs, so it's not unusual to see very similar cues with one being branded a B'wick and the other an Ajay or Mosconi, or unmarked. Ajay owned the rights to the Mosconi name after Brunswick relinquished them.

And, while it wasn't you, Larry, the comment about McD production of B'wick cues is well beyond the time period we're speaking of. When B'wick got BACK into the cue business around 1990 or so, they sourced their cues from all over, including, but not necessarily limited to: Taiwan (much better quality this time around), Joss, & McD. The 60's and 70's cues from B'wick are pretty much part of a lost era.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
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OK, Larry and Pizza are on to something here. I had no idea Joss was involved in Brunswick cues. The bumper on this cue says Joss USA Cues. I assumed it was a replacement so I didnt mention it. That being said does it make the cue more valuable? and what approx year was it made?
FYI im in N. NJ as well.
 
itsjustjay said:
OK, Larry and Pizza are on to something here. I had no idea Joss was involved in Brunswick cues. The bumper on this cue says Joss USA Cues. I assumed it was a replacement so I didnt mention it. That being said does it make the cue more valuable? and what approx year was it made?
FYI im in N. NJ as well.
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Well, it certainly makes it more valuable than one of the imports. Value should be on a par with other Joss cues of that design complexity and period. I'm not sure how long Joss made B'wick cues. They did do the special series of the B'wick 150th Anniversary cues - which would be 1995, so early to mid-90's would be a good estimate. Dan Janes @ Joss could tell you for sure.

I'm in Central Jersey, about 8 miles south of Lambertville.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Pizza Bob said:
Well, it certainly makes it more valuable than one of the imports. Value should be on a par with other Joss cues of that design complexity and period. I'm not sure how long Joss made B'wick cues. They did do the special series of the B'wick 150th Anniversary cues - which would be 1995, so early to mid-90's would be a good estimate. Dan Janes @ Joss could tell you for sure.

I'm in Central Jersey, about 8 miles south of Lambertville.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
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Thanks for the info P Bob. Ive been to the Lambertville Flea Market a few times, nice area over there.
 
itsjustjay said:
Thanks for the info P Bob. Ive been to the Lambertville Flea Market a few times, nice area over there.
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I just hear back fomr Dan @ Joss. And it is not a Joss cue. Looks like it was a replacment bumper after all.
 
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