Please Help Identify Antique Cue

playonepocket

playonepocket

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Good Morning,

I happened across this cue while browsing some auctions. I don't have much information on it - just a few pictures. I was informed that the length of the cue is 56". I do not have immediate access to the cue.

Please provide some insight as to the model, time period, and assessed value (current condition VS restored).

Thanks.


playonepocket
 
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playonepocket said:
Good Morning,

I happened across this cue while browsing some auctions. I don't have much information on it - just a few pictures. I was informed that the length of the cue is 56". I do not have immediate access to the cue.

Please provide some insight as to the model, time period, and assessed value (current condition VS restored).

Thanks.


playonepocket

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Wow... very old, very unique, very cool. Someone put a lot of love into making that thing. I hope you get some more details! For oldies like that, Dick Abbott seems to be a good resource of info. Maybe try reaching out to him.

Good luck!

JT
 
It's a marquetry cue of one type or another. Normally this design would be quite old, turn of the century. Many are of French, Portugese, or German origin. Odd that the joint appears to be modern conventional (made from the 1940's on). Normally a cue of this age would have the joint screw in the shaft. The joint may not be original to the cue.

If you end up picking this cue up, let me know and I'll put you in touch with someone in Europe who can help you ID it. No idea on the value but the condition looks pretty rough.
 
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TATE - thanks for your assessment; with which, I am in agreement.

I recently reached out to Guy Huybrechts via email. I found his website (http://users.skynet.be/billard.billiards/index.htm) through some digging and research.

I also dropped a line to Paul from www.vintagecuesforyou.com and Dick Abbot of www.billiardcue.com for good measure.

Hopefully these efforts reveal some additional insight... :)


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Guy will definitely help you out. The problem with these sort of cues is you really need to see them in person if possible or you're taking a big risk. I bought a couple of rare cues that looked pretty good in pics but were rattling loose and falling apart and modified when they came in.
 
playonepocket said:
Good Morning,

I happened across this cue while browsing some auctions. I don't have much information on it - just a few pictures. I was informed that the length of the cue is 56". I do not have immediate access to the cue.

Please provide some insight as to the model, time period, and assessed value (current condition VS restored).

Thanks.


playonepocket

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That is a beauty, I'd like to see more pics of that joint. I have a very old European stick that resembles a sampaio that was converted in the 50s. it has a very similar butt cap and joint, from what I've found I think paradise did some of these conversions early on.
 
I had my eye on that, but didn't wan't to go all the way in the auction. I think you picked it up at a good price though. Congrats!

I would also reccomend the skynet website mentioned above. The join struck me as odd as well. Maybe it was a one piece originally?? Anyways, hope you find more details.
 
No doubt a conversation with modern joint, joint collars and even the buttcap imo.
It would be real difficult to ID but Guys website can give you ideas on what area in Europe made that style. Primarily French and German did marquetry.
 
Here are a few pre-restoration pics of a very old French marquetry cue, for comparison.
 

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What is the general consensus regarding the restoration of pre-1900's era cues?
 
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What is the general consensus regarding the restoration of pre-1900's era cues?


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Two words.......Paul Rubino. :)

If they have structural issues and need to be preserved, absolutely. If they are structurally sound, just aged, I would have to say no. Imo, of course.
 
Quick Update,

If you review this post, and the ones above - you'll see I have included some additional images of the cue. The butterfly point appears to be ebony, has three veneers and an ivory circle inlay. The cue is surprisingly straight and the few balls I hit felt really solid.

Does anyone have any additional inputs? What's the best way to get in touch with Paul Rubino?


playonepocket
 
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The cue has been sent to Paul...

Just a quick update, I sent the cue to Paul Rubino earlier this week. I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say about it. If we elect to restore, we will try to make it as original as possible while preserving the cue.

Stand-by for after pictures...

...thanks for all of your inputs, btw.



playonepocket
 
Is your goal to keep it for yourself, or to resell it at some point?

Good luck either way!

It looks to me like you've got some really good "before" photos on file, so at minimum you have the documentation of it's history with you and will be able to show it's transformation. I really hope you end up having it fully restored to its original glory.

I know with some old cars, signage. tin toys and many other types of antiques, an item's aged patina can add to it's desirability and cost to some hardcore collectors, but for a pool cue like that, I don't see why it would not be a good idea to do a proper top-quality restoration, especially if you plan to keep for yourself.

I can't wait to see what this finished project looks like, gonna subscribe to this thread and anxious to see the pics.

To me, pool cues are one of the purest forms of functional art, and one of the coolest things about pool cues (and wooden items in general) is that they can be nicely refurbished over and over again if they were properly protected when first made...
 
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