Pool hall junkies

Why are those days gone in L.A.?
What happened to the Hollywood Atheltic Club?
The world changed.
Just about everything became politicized.
Those who "long for those days" are old men....lost in the past.
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The world changed.
Just about everything became politicized.

Those who "long for those days" are old men....lost in the past.
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'


Why?
The statement in itself is explanation enough.
No need for long winded editorializing.
How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?
 
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Please explain your statements when you make them people![/B]



Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'



How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?

I think you care way too much about what other people post.
 
Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

"Your reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable not for the rightness but uprightness of the decision.... Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion." Thomas Jefferson


I forgot this is a "Pool" Forum.
Sorry, I'm expecting too much.

^ What he said.
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I think you care way too much about what other people post.

Please explain your statements when you make them people![/B]



Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'

'Youth is wasted on the young.'



How has the World changed? How does that change affect the Business of a Billiards Room?
Politicized? What has been Politicized?
How does "that thing" being Politicized affect the business of a Billiards Room?

Why?
The statement in itself is explanation enough.
No need for long winded editorializing.
 
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Devo

Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?
Would you like to have a discussion with a person if they always had you break down your statements into great detail? Maybe you would, who knows? I refuse to elaborate further on my previous statement. But feel free to ask me to do so.
I asked for detail because there was none to begin with.

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." Thomas Jefferson

"Our age has obliterated human magnificence by linking a banality with a non sequitur - the observation that everyone has flaws, and the conclusion that therefore no one merits emulation. Having denied the possibility of human excellence, we also have obliterated the reality of human depravity by the doctrine of the moral equivalence of all 'lifestyles'.

The idea is abroad that there is no moral heritage worth "imposing" on children, respect for whom requires that their selection of "values" be regarded as a mere matter of taste.

This is why so many students never criticize a proposition by saying, "I believe you are mistaken for the following reason." Instead, they give autobiographical reports such as "I'm not comfortable with that." Students regard such reports about their "feelings" as final and no more in need of justification than the assertion...."I don't like Brussels sprouts."

George Will
 

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Isn't that the point of a discussion forum?

I asked for detail because there was none to begin with.

"A patient pursuit of facts, and cautious combination and comparison of them is the drudgery to which man is subjected by his Maker if he wishes to attain sure knowledge." Thomas Jefferson

"Our age has obliterated human magnificence by linking a banality with a non sequitur - the observation that everyone has flaws, and the conclusion that therefore no one merits emulation. Having denied the possibility of human excellence, we also have obliterated the reality of human depravity by the doctrine of the moral equivalence of all 'lifestyles'.

The idea is abroad that there is no moral heritage worth "imposing" on children, respect for whom requires that their selection of "values" be regarded as a mere matter of taste.

This is why so many students never criticize a proposition by saying, "I believe you are mistaken for the following reason." Instead, they give autobiographical reports such as "I'm not comfortable with that." Students regard such reports about their "feelings" as final and no more in need of justification than the assertion...."I don't like Brussels sprouts."

George Will

Well, most of us here are men, at least 99%. Thus, if you want us to explain our every actions, and speak in paragraphs when 3 words will do the same thing, or talk about our feelings, you might want to locate the "Pretty Flowers" website and go hog wild ;)
 

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So why did this place "Hollywood Athletic Club" go out of business if it was so doing so well?

One factor was the popularity curve after the Color of Money simply started to run down. The other was the fact that the guy that held it all together Tom Salter developed a drinking problem and lost his mojo. Then he was fired.

That was a really big deal cause this cat put all these desperate elements together. The new management tried to segue into a nightclub and the nightclub business in Hollywood is notorious for running hot and cold. Many new clubs are out of business in 6 months.

The " new " Hollywood Billiards was a great pool hall in its own right and was lucky that the HAC closed. HB had a solid northern Italian restaurant in it and was a great place.

When the owner decided to go into the nightclub business after an extensive remodel he was out of business in a year.

Lease rates in Los Angeles have risen to extent that if you pay market rates today to rent space its almost impossible to make pool pencil.

When the HAC was opened it was in the middle of a big real estate downturn and they got a good value. So the combination of of the downturn in interest in pool and a upturn in lease rates makes new pool halls non existent.

Pool halls are closing in the LA area.
 
Thank You for an intelligent and informative answer.
One factor was the popularity curve after the Color of Money simply started to run down. The other was the fact that the guy that held it all together Tom Salter developed a drinking problem and lost his mojo. Then he was fired.

That was a really big deal cause this cat put all these desperate elements together. The new management tried to segue into a nightclub and the nightclub business in Hollywood is notorious for running hot and cold. Many new clubs are out of business in 6 months.

The " new " Hollywood Billiards was a great pool hall in its own right and was lucky that the HAC closed. HB had a solid northern Italian restaurant in it and was a great place.

When the owner decided to go into the nightclub business after an extensive remodel he was out of business in a year.

Lease rates in Los Angeles have risen to extent that if you pay market rates today to rent space its almost impossible to make pool pencil.

When the HAC was opened it was in the middle of a big real estate downturn and they got a good value. So the combination of of the downturn in interest in pool and a upturn in lease rates makes new pool halls non existent.

Pool halls are closing in the LA area.
 
M'Lord,
And the correct answer is they should NOT have been allowed to. It was beyond horrible. The writing was atrocious, the plot was a disaster, and folks that make movies like this usually don't make a second movie unless they are named Ed Wood.

And it certainly does not help the next guy who writes a billiard related screen play ;)

I thought I should really watch it a second time to make sure my opinion of it is valid, but I'm afraid I'll stab myself in the eyes with a fork if I do :)

The best review I could find for this on Rotten Tomatoes was this: If you saw this film, then you were hustled or The cinematic equivalent of a train wreck.

OK, RJ-Ebert, it wasn't frickin Chekov. I went to the premier and it was very evident that it was a low production movie with bad lighting.

I was not that impressed. But a few years ago I watched it again and I think they re-edited and cleaned up the lighting with something like photo shop and it was entertaining.

Its not everyday that a 20 something kid gets actors like Rod Steiger- (who starred in Dr Zhivago), Chris Walken and Chaz Palminteri to star in a movie he co-wrote.

Then he also directs the movie.
 
OK, RJ-Ebert, it wasn't frickin Chekov. I went to the premier and it was very evident that it was a low production movie with bad lighting.

I was not that impressed. But a few years ago I watched it again and I think they re-edited and cleaned up the lighting with something like photo shop and it was entertaining.

Its not everyday that a 20 something kid gets actors like Rod Steiger- (who starred in Dr Zhivago), Chris Walken and Chaz Palminteri to star in a movie he co-wrote.

Then he also directs the movie.


Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you move merchandise - Morty Seinfield
 
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The low production and bad lighting had NOTHING to with it being a bad movie. It was only one thing, the writing was horrible, almost like a 1st grader using paste for the first time.

If a blind Chimp was able to talk Lawrence Olivier into one of the worst films ever, I'm sorry, I still would not be impressed ;)

Sorry M'Lord, I calls them like I see's them. You know that by now :)

Lest we judge too harshly.
 
I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you in person. So, I have no way of comparing whether the Richard Portnoy matched you in likeness and in mannerism.

He looked a lot like me. So much so that some people congratulated me on my acting job in the movie. :rolleyes:
I met him at the Premiere and he was a very nice guy. Quite a well known character actor in Hollywood (Richard Portnoy).
 
Anyone who likes PHJ hates movies...and thinking.

COM was just borderline watchable, which can be completely attributed to Scorsese understanding his craft (unfortunately he had a lapse of judgment on the script).

Hustler is a very good film.

Stickmen was slightly worse than PHJ. Right about the waste-of-talent that was Turn the River.
 
Anyone who likes PHJ hates movies...and thinking.

COM was just borderline watchable, which can be completely attributed to Scorsese understanding his craft (unfortunately he had a lapse of judgment on the script).

Hustler is a very good film.

Stickmen was slightly worse than PHJ. Right about the waste-of-talent that was Turn the River.

I respect your opinion to not respect others' opinions.
 
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