Pool League Situation - Make the Call - APA Match
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Read page 52. I don't see this covered in "how to win a game".
And the "accidentally moved ball" in 15 (i) gets misused and quoted all the time. It isn't meant to address what most think it does. It's for players that accidentally bump a ball into the cueball, like if you were bridging over a ball to shoot the cueball, and you nudge the ball into the cueball. That's a foul.
Common sense rule book for APA? Good luck with that!
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
read pages 51 and 52
Rule 15 is split between 51 and 52. 15 (g) is on page 51, and 15 (h) is on page 52.
Rule 15 is split between 51 and 52. 15 (g) is on page 51, and 15 (h) is on page 52.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Sure appears to me that, between 15 g-i, the situation described by OP is a foul.
Coos Cues
Coos Cues
Rules wise a loss for sure.
Dignity wise the other player should have shined it on and conceded. Never should have been brought to anyone else's attention.
But this is APA after all.
APA has a nitty reputation because it's a nitty format played by a lot of nits.
Sleep with nits you get nit bites.
Dignity wise the other player should have shined it on and conceded. Never should have been brought to anyone else's attention.
But this is APA after all.
APA has a nitty reputation because it's a nitty format played by a lot of nits.
Sleep with nits you get nit bites.
Let's say I was playing you. I am shooting the 8 ball. I shoot and make the 8 ball, but a guy that's behind me bumps into me, and my cue nudges the 7 ball into the cueball, gently, but it stops the cueball - even though the cue ball wasn't going to scratch. Would you argue your point so passionately with me? The word "accidentally" doesn't come with conditions, so I'd love to hear your opinion.
Sorry but you’re wrong. As long as the cue ball is still moving, the shot is considered live. It’s a foul no matter what. What if the cue ball was actually going to a pocket and the object ball got moved to prevent a scratch?
If I have a cue ball going for a pocket, by your logic, I can ‘accidently’ move an object ball to block the scratch and it’s not a foul.
The disturbed object ball hitting the cue ball creates the cue ball foul. Is anyone even paying attention anymore? Are you all just jerking your own horns to argue?
There’s a massive difference between you and your lack of motor control causing a foul. Versus something uncontrolled causing a foul. In the situation you described, if someone else causes me to foul the cue ball after the shot was taken. The only recourse should be to replay the shot. Which isn’t the case for the OP. We all know you got a hardon for bashing the APA but this is getting silly.
Lol. I'm a card carrying member of the APA. Haven't bashed the league one bit.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
No passion. It's either rules or no rules or a long discussion and agreement before each game begins as to what rules will, and what rules won't, apply. If no rules, then why can't a player just pick a ball up and pocket it and claim he made it? Hell, why would a ball have to go in pocket if we have no rules? You have to have rules to play a game.
If the rules are unclear, fix them. As written, the rules create a reasonable expectation that the scenario described should have resulted in a loss of the game.
Not a member of APA but can read, analyze, and apply.
If the rules are unclear, fix them. As written, the rules create a reasonable expectation that the scenario described should have resulted in a loss of the game.
Not a member of APA but can read, analyze, and apply.
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It isn't "by my logic". It's actually something that happens week in and week out all over the place. Our league addressed it by using local bylaws. But, don't use the words "by my logic". Their rules, not mine. I just play by them. And above all, page 5 of the rule book appeals to common sense.
So, answer the question. Would you say loss of game if someone caused me to move the ball that stops the cueball? You're all about read, analyze, and apply. Both examples are cut and dry according to your interpretation of the rules. You'd take the win in both examples? BTW, your analysis is a little off, seeing as you're quoting a "ball in hand foul" section, and not the "how to win a game" section. There are fouls that are BIH that don't result in a loss of game.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
There should be an "outside interference" rule. I did not find one upon a quick review.
But, look at it this "common sense" way: the player committed no foul: the player did not "cause" anything. The person who bumped committed or caused.
But, look at it this "common sense" way: the player committed no foul: the player did not "cause" anything. The person who bumped committed or caused.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
see, causation, proximate cause, legal cause, causation in fact, and superseding intervening cause in a legal treatise of your choice.
Agreed. In any billiards game, that I have ever played - touch the CB and it's a foul.
Or, look at it this way. They accidentally moved the object ball, this is a recreational league, and we want to grow the game. So, let's act like an asshole, and take away an earned win because they did something that we don't like.
Sound about right?