Pool Vs. Snooker?
- Thread starter SureShot21
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2015 Grand Prix finale
Mark Davis vs Neil Robertson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-bpgmTeB2s
This match took 3.5 hrs for seven frames
The final frame went on for about 80 minutes and is probably the longest frame preserved for posterity - Starts at 2 hrs 9 minutes.
There have been longer frames, but not on video.
At the 2008 China Open Shaun Murphy and Dave Harold had one frame that took more than 93 minutes.
Compare that to safeties in a rack of 9-ball. :grin:
Mark Davis vs Neil Robertson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-bpgmTeB2s
This match took 3.5 hrs for seven frames
The final frame went on for about 80 minutes and is probably the longest frame preserved for posterity - Starts at 2 hrs 9 minutes.
There have been longer frames, but not on video.
At the 2008 China Open Shaun Murphy and Dave Harold had one frame that took more than 93 minutes.
Compare that to safeties in a rack of 9-ball. :grin:
I think, a guy who can do that, can do anything on a pool table...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DvmRkKc_58&feature=youtu.be
Needless to say anything about their tactical knowledge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DvmRkKc_58&feature=youtu.be
Needless to say anything about their tactical knowledge...
But to be fair - comparing 9 Ball to Snooker is ridiculous anyway.
I have seen matches in PRO 14.1 tournaments that took 4 plus hours
to score 150.
Dale
Larry Nevel can do miracles on a pool table.....
...but it's better to think like Reyes.
that's not true at all. go watch the top guys play snooker. they use english all the time, you just don't see it because the cue ball isn't dotted. but you can tell they use english by the way the cue ball comes off the rails etc. in one instance i remember ronnie pocketing a ball from 10-11 feet away while loading it up with inside english shooting into a tiny pocket. now obviously that's just one example but watching a snooker match, you will see that it happens very often.
they actually use outside english a lot to help pocket the balls. not a ton of outside english, but a bit.
This is very true. When going into the pack, side spin is almost always used. When potting a long red to start a break side spin is almost always used to avoid balls when coming back around table. I would say about 80% of pots at the top level are potted with side spin when the cue ball will contact a cushion.
Its a myth that snooker players use side spin on the rare occasion. They don't overuse it like most amateurs do, but when they do they are extremely accurate with it. This is why your average pool player thinks they cant possibly be using side spin.
I was relaying what earl strickland said in one of those TAR pre-match podcasts.
As a pool player, I have very little knowledge about snooker, so I'll have to take your word for it. (assuming you are a snooker player)
However, if this is true, then there would be no argument over whether pool or snooker is harder (as far as running balls and scoring points goes).
I find it hard to believe that with the accuracy required just to make most shots, that top snooker players would routinely use a lot of english. Adding squirt, swerve, and throw to the mix just doesn't seem realistic.
From the videos I've seen of top players, including Ronnie, they don't seem to be using english at all, and when rails are involved, they seem to just be using the natural angle.
They don't go as far from center as you might in pool, but side is used a lot, especially around the pack of reds. They use it a lot to keep the right angle on a red to stay on the black, which simplifies things quite a bit. Otherwise you are travelling down to the blue and baulk colours a lot.
Also, if they get the wrong side of the blue they need to use side to get in and out of baulk while avoiding the colours. I remember reading in Stuart Pettman's book that with his cue, he can line up the blue normally while using outside english, but with inside he has to practically aim the blue into the side cushion.
One thing what comes to my mind what is not emphasized enough in this topic is match length.
Snooker match best of nine is actually really long set if you compare to pool. I think race to fifteen or seventeen is close to equal.
What I mean on this is winning race to five on snooker is really really hard if you are even slightly underdog.
Race to 7 on nine ball is quite easy to win even you are lot bigger underdog.
So snooker tournaments are longer matches and single elimination. Pool tournaments are normally so short matches that if you put two pros against other it is nearly coin toss. But its normally double elimination so in the end there are quite normally best players.
Snooker match best of nine is actually really long set if you compare to pool. I think race to fifteen or seventeen is close to equal.
What I mean on this is winning race to five on snooker is really really hard if you are even slightly underdog.
Race to 7 on nine ball is quite easy to win even you are lot bigger underdog.
So snooker tournaments are longer matches and single elimination. Pool tournaments are normally so short matches that if you put two pros against other it is nearly coin toss. But its normally double elimination so in the end there are quite normally best players.
Very true, winning even one game against a much better player can be a feat in of itself, given how involved a game of snooker is.
If 10 ball tournaments had a race to 17 winner breaks format, you would see a lot more consistency in the winners circle. The standard I have seen Shane play at in those long races, regularly stringing together 2-3 racks, it has to be on par with the challenge of pro snooker. Just different skill sets is all.