Pool's "Best Practices"

It keeps coming up (post 351-354), just responding to them. I think the poll would be fun, though.

Perhaps Satori could start the poll.........still waiting on videos that support his position.:smile:

I have never started a poll in my life and this wont be the first.
 
Obviously, the human body can be used to push objects but the muscular force applied to the lever doing the pushing must be a pulling action.

What's so simple isn't always easy.
 
When a good golfer with a good golf swing makes contact with the golf ball his hips & abdomen are facing in the direction of where he intends the ball to go. Hence 'forward' & not facing the ball on the ground or the tee. His hands at contact are rather near his right hip, much like in a pool stroke. Also, they are bent at the hips much like a pool player with an up right 'tall' stance, much the way many of the older players like Mosconi & players of that era.

That's the problem with this game.

Baseball looks to golf & golf looks to baseball in attempts to get better understandings & then there is tennis.

Mikjary Mike is correct. There is much that might be learned but will not be if everything that could foster cognitive thinking & comparisons is simply dismissed because some can't see it with their closed minds as they say 'all is already known'.

Best 2 All,
Rick

PS As I've said before or elsewhere, some play this game like athletes & some play it like bookworms. No offense to either designation. I'd say that I am both but I know when to not let one interfere with the other one.
 
OK.

Maybe we should have a poll to see if people want a pull/push poll.:confused:

ps you know they call it "one push out" after the break for a reason.:wink:

IDK, maybe we should add in a "shove" too. That's a little different than a regular push.

JoeyA
 
....Be kind to yourself; allow those who are still blossoming to enjoy the fruits of their labor.... Don't resent the fact that there are those whom others like and respect, but you don't. It's ok to dislike someone but you shouldn't follow them around on Internet forums just to rattle their cage. That's childish and it does nothing to enhance the sport that you have been a part of for so many years.....

....You reminded me about a new product that I have used just recently that is quite exceptional but I will save that for its own thread but if you don't like what I have to say about it, you should just ignore it. :D

Best to you and yours,

JoeyA

Joey, I isolated that portion of your response, because I realize you are correct, in pointing out that this is an area I really need to work on !... I blame part of it on my cranky advancing age..But I also think, a good portion of it is brought on by those that 'seek ME out'! My defense/retalliate mechanism goes into overdrive, and I'm not very good at biting my tongue !.. BTW, Haven't you noticed, most reader's seem to enjoy it when the 'gloves come off'..That may be why the mod's let it roll:p

I cannot help my inbred aversion to 'bragging'...It has cost me my participation in my favorite forum !..I don't know how much of that you saw unfold...but it was not pretty, and I am not proud of it...Nor should several others be !.. Anyway, I shall try and do better at NOT 'rattling cages' ! ;)

I see you closed with a 'funny', so I shall respond in kind.."Just make sure you tout your 'new product', in the proper (A.S.) forum, or I may attack" ! :D

PS..I'd much prefer we get along, than being at odds with each other ! ;)
 
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OK.

Maybe we should have a poll to see if people want a pull/push poll.:confused:

ps you know they call it "one push out" after the break for a reason.:wink:
What would you do with the poll's information? Would you sleep easy knowing you share thought with the masses? Would it cause you discontent knowing that people dont agree with you? What if the popular opinion was wrong? Cant you just study the subject on your own and form your own thoughts? You obviously are not looking for a different view to consider as you have not even considered what I have said... perhaps if the poll showed they differ you would change your thoughts. If it will help you to think then go for it.


P.S. I already covered the push-out. vvvvvv
You are not connected at the tip though. You are connected at the grip and you are pushing the stick back.

To go on... you then pull the stick forward to push the cueball.

This is a dumb argument anyway.
 
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Don't forget the Pokemon Poke.

I think the pokemon poke is the result of the rub and tug stroke. I watched a video of DTL once and he looks to prefer this stroke. He likes to let it glide down his chin... and there, literally, is the rub.
 
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You made another funny!:thumbup:

I only wish I could glide the cue against my chin........I'd probably play a ball better. But after 2 neck surgeries and my left shoulder hanging by a thread that will never happen.

I do have a few videos out there. We'd all like to see some of you playing, too.

BTW, I presume you're still searching for videos of someone (ANYONE) saying push the cue back and/or pull the cue forward........must be driving you crazy, lol.

I havent spent one second for reasons I have already explained. I'll say it again since you missed it... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT FRAN SAID!
 
Hi Chris.

As you know a rope can't be pushed, at least not very far.

I asked the question earlier in this thread. What if the cue is held right at the balance point? CJ holds the cue well forward at times. His cue is probably weighted forward but there are some cues that are rather rear weighted.

So, if held at the balance point then where is the weight load? It would be easy to say that the cue is pulled back & pushed forward, but that does not take the angle of the elbow into consideration. Describing it that way the cue would be being 'pushed' when the angle is both contracting like a full pendulum SPF swing or extending like in a piston or piston J stroke. Those two are not the same & to infer that they are by saying that they both push the cue would be misleading IMO.

It would be much easier & more correct to me to define it by the biomechanics for discussion & descriptive purposes, but all that really matters is how the player himself feels about it.

If the angle of the elbow is extending then the hand/cue is being pushed away (from the shoulder) & if the angle is being contracted then the hand/cue is being pulled to (or toward the shoulder)

So, in the back stroke or swing the cue would be being pushed away & then on the return it would be being pulled back to or toward & then depending on what happens with the hand & what that causes the elbow to do, would then dictate the rest.

If the hand swings up & toward the shoulder while the elbow stays still & the angle at the elbow is contracted then the cue is still being pulled or swung up.

If the hand moves straight & the elbow is allowed to drop to accommodate that & the angle at the elbow is extended (as it is in most all other sports) then the cue is being pushed.

To me the first is swinging the cue at the ball & the second is stroking the cue through the ball.

To me they are very different.

I hope you can see & understand my points. But, like I said, it is all about how the individual feels about it from the inside.

CJ as commented about feeling like you are 'hitting' the ball with the elbow. I've seen 2 or 3 that have come back rather quickly thanking him as it appears that that has helped them.

All the Best 2 You & Yours...& All,
Rick

Interesting Rick... I would have to spend some time thinking about what my answer should be but I will go ahead and stay with I pull the cue back and push the cue forward because there is a transfer of the cue thru our grip contact points so even holding it forward of the balance point if cueing angle is involved the weight is on the bridge hand... Since the bridge hand creates resistance if the cue was a rope simply pulling the length behind would not guarantee the rope to go thru the bridge and not just bunch up between the points.. The pushing concept to me COULD do the job of getting the rope thru the bridge... Maybe I think of a push as a focus of force and a pull as just a movement of weight.....
 
DTL did a good job of splainin so I won't touch on that but you really should keep using that red disclaimer every time you post.... :thumbup:

The text turned red automatically when I linked the youtube video to it.


And the only thing DTL did a god job "splainin" was that you used the wrong word when saying physiology.
 
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Interesting Rick... I would have to spend some time thinking about what my answer should be but I will go ahead and stay with I pull the cue back and push the cue forward because there is a transfer of the cue thru our grip contact points so even holding it forward of the balance point if cueing angle is involved the weight is on the bridge hand... Since the bridge hand creates resistance if the cue was a rope simply pulling the length behind would not guarantee the rope to go thru the bridge and not just bunch up between the points.. The pushing concept to me COULD do the job of getting the rope thru the bridge... Maybe I think of a push as a focus of force and a pull as just a movement of weight.....

Like I said, Chris, for each individual, it's how it feels to them from the inside.

Best ,
Rick
 
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