Poor etiquette or sharking?

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jad

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During my last APA match while I was shooting my opponent insisted on banging a cue ball around on the table adjacent to our match table. I told him about it at one point, and that it was distracting when I was down on the shot. I don't think he got it though as the behaviour continued. Is there anything in the rules about this?


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Not about this particular behavior...but there is about unsportsmanlike behavior.

If you feel he was purposely doing it (which if he didn't stop when you said something to him...means he was) then I'd contact the league operator and file a complaint.

Leagues are meant to be fun...and mutual respect should be expected...IMO.
 
I'd tell them twice, then make a stink about it to the team captain followed by league office.

We have a guy who obsessively bounces his cue off the floor hard when he is not shooting, but it's such a nervous thing that he doesn't realize he is doing it - telling him twice would ensure that it's on purpose and give them the benefit of the doubt.


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The guy is an ass and yes it is a shark. This, among other things is why I don't get involved in APA. Too many similar stories.
 
I don't know about APA but most tournaments and leagues have rules against practice during a match.
 
Ask him to come over and watch the shot in case you foul. Seriously, at a properly run HLT, there is a designated chair for opponent to sit in. Should be used in regular league matches.
 
Lonestar_jim said:
Ask him to come over and watch the shot in case you foul. Seriously, at a properly run HLT, there is a designated chair for opponent to sit in. Should be used in regular league matches.
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I like that, or YOU can sit down and when he looks over to you and asks if you shot or why are you sitting, just say "I didn't want to disturb you while YOU were shooting"
 
BRussell said:
I don't know about APA but most tournaments and leagues have rules against practice during a match.
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I couldn't find that rule in the apa rulebook. I know VNEA has this rule because I got called on it and we had to call our LO to see what the outcome was. It was nitty as hell in my opinion but my shaft sounded weird when I hit one of my shots and I missed. I went 2 tables over and grabbed the cb and hit it once to see if I could hear the sound again ( turned out it was a loose tenon ) the guy called a foul for me practicing during our match. I ended up losing the game. Lesson learned I guess.

On a side note I found this apa rule funny.

d. In the event the Team Captains cannot settle the dispute, they will both
submit a written protest to the League Operator. This protest will
describe the circumstances involved and will be submitted along with a
$25 protest fee from each team. The League Operator may rule on the
protest/dispute or may pass it along to the Board of Governors. The
decision of the League Operator or the Board is final and the loser of
the protest will forfeit their $25. The winner is reimbursed.
 
There is no rule specifically against this type of actions, although it should be handled as stated above, as a sportsmanship issue. Talk to the player, then the captain, then the division rep. It should not take more than that IN MOST CASES.
 
Not to go against the grain here, because I wouldn't like it either. But I don't think that it would effect the way I played because I try and block all that stuff out. I probably wouldn't even notice it was happening. Just you and the table my friend.
 
I was never happier as a pool player than when I dumped APA.
No more leagues and just absolute freedom. I can play when I want and not play when I don't want to.
The game went back to the game I fell in love with years ago when I quit APA and actually all league playing in general.
 
I think it would be considered a sharking attempt if you believe it's a sharking attempt, however, I can't imagine it would make much difference regardless of who you might tell. If it were me I'd wait until it was his turn and then I'd hide that cue ball if it bothered me that much, if he asked me for it I might address it with him then and there, but that would be like loading his gun and helping him point it at your head. His argument, and it's a valid one, is that he is away from the playing table, out of eye shot and the other players on other tables, or beer drinkers, etc... don't seem to bother you. It would be polite if he were a little more invested in the match, but being rude is generally not a rule violation.
Someone mentioned HLT rules a few posts ago, I believe in the APA there is an HLT rule about practicing on the tournament tables while a session is in progress or during time that aren't designated practice times. Anytime something like this even had a hint of starting up at the HLT's I've been a part of the referee quickly put an end to it, but in weekly play, at a bar or pool hall it's just something you'll probably have to live with. If he knows it bothers you you can probably expect the behavior to continue and likely to increase.
 
What if there was another team or player next to you then what? Who would you call to make them stop? Lol. If you can't play in a bar or pool room Maybe you should stay home? Just a thought
 
Poor etiquette, up to you and how it affects you as to whether it was sharking.

I give my complete attention to every match I play. It is about respect. I expect the same.
 
Nothing screws with someone trying to shark you than totally ignoring them.

I have broken into laughter and when they ask what's so funny reply " your childish attempt to distract me. "

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Aloha

In all honesty, you should view this as a blessing. You now know one mental hurdle you have to over come. If you were focused on the table and your game then his actions would not have interfered.

Work on seeing nothing outside the rails as you get down to shoot. You will find that the people trying to shark you just get more frustrated. Only you can let their actions affect your game. Have fun and good luck

Aloha
 
jad said:
During my last APA match while I was shooting my opponent insisted on banging a cue ball around on the table adjacent to our match table. I told him about it at one point, and that it was distracting when I was down on the shot. I don't think he got it though as the behaviour continued. Is there anything in the rules about this?


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I never liked that and have no problem asking someone to stop. It is very Inappropriate. If they don't like it, screw them.
 
jad said:
During my last APA match while I was shooting my opponent insisted on banging a cue ball around on the table adjacent to our match table. I told him about it at one point, and that it was distracting when I was down on the shot. I don't think he got it though as the behaviour continued. Is there anything in the rules about this?


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It should be illegal in any tournament or league, and often is.
...it may fall under unsportsmanlike like behavior, if nothing else.
I know it is forbidden at snooker.

At gambling, it has to be negotiated....
...I trapped a guy at snooker once, so he set the situation up on the next table...
...every time he hit the cue ball, I knocked the object ball away....
...I was going to take it as far as he wanted to.

At the end of the game...I told him we were going have to establish the conditions we were
playing under......and raise the price
 
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