Positioning of the Break Balls

Steve Lipsky

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Patrick's recent thread got me thinking about its converse; forgetting about cueball positioning for a moment, let's take a close look at the sometimes enormous difference in break yields between two similarly placed break balls.

Interestingly, these differences seem to rear their heads on the less conventional break balls. And this is certainly one of the reasons that the standard side-rack break shot is often the most preferred. While minute differences in the positions of side-rack break shots will affect the break yield, there are usually good results to be had if you hit either variation correctly. Not so on many of these shots.

The shots below are some examples where the results can vary widely by moving the object ball just a few inches.

Shot 1:

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The above example is one of the most dramatic. Though the 1 and the 7, at first glance, look similar, in actuality they are drastically different. The 7 is actually almost unusable. (Not entirely, you can still maneuver a break shot out of it by drawing off the rail, but it's a difficult shot and the results are usually sketchy because you have to take some speed off to let the draw take. Positional zone is also much smaller.)

Contrarily, the 1 is a beautiful break shot. It's very easy to play position on, since it's close to the rail, and you can be almost anywhere on that rail and still get into the rack with ease. If you don't believe the break yield on this shot is enormous, I implore you to try it several times. It's really a hanger and this shot should not be overlooked. I put this shot firmly in the second-tier class of breakshots. But remember to take a good look at the exact positioning of this ball, to make sure it's more like the 1 than the 7.

(Interestingly, if these shots were on the other side of the table - the rack side - their utility gets reversed. The 7 becomes the one to use, and the 1 is an impossibility. However, this breakshot is so poor it would probably not even be in the third-tier. It's really garbage, and you should avoid it.)

Shot 2:

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In this layout, which is better? The 1 or the 7? Again, we are dealing with one beautiful breakball and one which should really be avoided. In this case, the 7 is the one to use, because you can slam it in the side and go one direct rail into the heart of the pack. This is probably the best-yielding breakshot in all of straight pool; it simply must be seen to appreciate it. Remember - NO TOPSPIN on this shot. The cueball will bend right around the rack if you use topspin. Depending on the exact angle of positioning you achieve, either use draw or stun. You'll get the feel. There is a great chance after this shot that no two balls will be touching.

The 1 is too far out from the pocket to use effectively in this manner, and therefore must be played for to go two rails and into the 4/5. This requires some level of precision and results are often poor regardless.

In terms of which tier I'd consider these breakshots: the 1 is third-tier, and the 7 is first-tier. This is the truth - I'd play the 7 all the time if I could - the only problem is, of course, that balls don't often end up in that "sweet spot" that works perfectly like this.

Shot 3:

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I've spoken about this one before, so I won't elaborate too much. And yes, I know these balls are on top of each other ;) It's done to show how important very minute differences in ball position below the rack are. The 7 isn't bad so much as it basically requires you to go 3 rails with inside english. This should be avoided if possible. The 1 can (should) be played with outside english, going only one rail towards the center of the table.

I am assuming both of these balls will be played in the upper left corner, by the way. I know some very accomplished players on this board play for the short side on these shots - I will not argue with them, I will simply say that I can't seem to consistently get good results from the short side.

Anyway, I hope this thread gets everyone to pay very close attention to exactly where their break ball lies on the more unconventional shots. There are a few more of these, so I will try to post them later.

- Steve
 
Thanks for the insight, Steve. It's very interesting that in "shot 3" I would have the opposite instinct. I would prefer the 1 over the 7 as I can drive thru the "corner" of the rack with follow. I will choose a "behind the rack" break only if I can avoid contacting the center ball (the 9 on your illustration). A scratch (or getting stuck on the end rail) seem inevitable if I hit that center ball...

EDIT: I reread your post and I may have misinterpretted what you wrote. Is your preference the 1 or 7?
 
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Sorry about that Mosconiac... yes, my preference is definitely the 1 as well. I like being able to hit the corner.

- Steve
 
Thanks Steve. That side pocket shot is something I'll have to try. I'm always looking at the side pocket balls as key balls. Maybe from now on I'll look for this break shot.
 
Thanks Steve. I will definitely look out for this side pocket slammer. I like the side pocket as a break shot, but I can see now I've been too restrictive in my selection and have only been choosing the break shots where I can stun hard into the rack.

Also in your first example with the 1 ball in the top corner, this is the shot where the cue ball just magically stops in its tracks after hitting the pack right?
 
hobokenapa said:
Thanks Steve. I will definitely look out for this side pocket slammer. I like the side pocket as a break shot, but I can see now I've been too restrictive in my selection and have only been choosing the break shots where I can stun hard into the rack.

I ran into a couple of these side-pocket break balls while playing yesterday and decided to give them a go. Steve is right - they're fantastic break balls. You can go right into the heart of the stack, and since the object ball is so close to the pocket, there's no worry about missing the break shot even with a very firm stroke.

Once I even noticed that I had one of these side-rack breakers lying as my key ball, and promptly turned around and used it as the break ball instead (see cuetable layout). Worked great!

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TSW,

That’s great that you were able to see and execute this breakshot!

This is a great breakshot to use when you find it available late in the rack and there is an easy end pattern to it. Given the situation you had, I’d have done the same thing. I know some of the old-school players on here probably think that’s wrong, but that’s a debate I’m willing to have.

However, and this is a big however, you have to judge what kind of tables will allow you to keep that side pocket shot there for the whole rack. In other words, if the balls are arranged such that getting out of the rack (while preserving this breakshot) becomes even slightly harder than it would be if you removed the side pocket ball earlier, I’d shoot if off and use a more traditional break ball.

This is not a ball I would see as soon as I open a new rack and think to myself, “I’m gonna keep this one here.” You can get in trouble this way, as it cuts off ALL side pocket shots from the rack area.

Hope this helps,
Steve
 
Hey Hoboken,

The cueball won’t stick to the rack in the shot you are talking about. It slides off the side of the rack and usually hits the short rail somewhere around the first diamond. It’s possible you’ll get an awful kiss and scratch, but really, this is super rare.

This shot should be struck firmly to make sure you get away from the rack.

- Steve
 
concerns

Thank you very much for the thoughts Steve... Very informative words.
One thing that concerns/confuses me.... your 2nd lay out

You say you can slam the 7 in and as long as you're not using top... it'll smash into the rack with excellent results.
From the angle the 7 is at... I'm concerned the 7 will rattle out of the pocket, if hit at a good speed.
The 1... it has room to hit the pocket avoiding the rail a little bit more... thus being able to be hit a bit harder.

Am I missing something? Or is this situation lost in cuetable translation?

If you go to page 2 you'll see the shot I'm thinking about.

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thyme3421 said:
Thank you very much for the thoughts Steve... Very informative words.
One thing that concerns/confuses me.... your 2nd lay out

You say you can slam the 7 in and as long as you're not using top... it'll smash into the rack with excellent results.
From the angle the 7 is at... I'm concerned the 7 will rattle out of the pocket, if hit at a good speed.
The 1... it has room to hit the pocket avoiding the rail a little bit more... thus being able to be hit a bit harder.

Am I missing something? Or is this situation lost in cuetable translation?

I think the situation is mostly lost in translation on Cuetable. Try the shot on a real table - the 7 is basically a hanger from that position.

I believe Steve's point is that playing the 7 allows you to hit the rail with a sliding cueball (a stun shot) and go into the heart of the rack. That lets you maximize the power.

A stun shot off the 1 will make you miss the rack to the low side. You'd have to hit with some degree of follow to catch the rail high enough to hit the rack full, and that follow kills most of your energy going into the rack.

I'm not the best with Cuetable, but check out the tangent lines on the 1 and 7 balls below. The tangent on the 7 is lined up perfectly to hit the rack off the rail, while the tangent for the 1 will miss the rack and maybe catch it off two rails.

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Another thing to consider is the cueball position on that 7-ball shot. The thinner the cut you leave, the less chance of a rattle because less of the cueball's energy is going into the 7-ball. I agree that it does look like it's too far from the center of the pocket to be comfortable, but even so, imagine how much energy is going into the rack and how little is going into the 1-ball at this steeper angle:

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Another thing to remember is that you are sort of playing position on this shot. Not so much on the end result but with where you hit the rack. As long as you adjust how thick you hit the 7, and the amount of draw you use, you can try to hit somewhere between the low side of the 14 and the high side of the 5. As long as you do this, then from the angle and speed you are coming into the rack, you are going to demolish it and keep control of the cueball.

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Another thing to remember is that you are sort of playing position on this shot. Not so much on the end result but with where you hit the rack. As long as you adjust how thick you hit the 7, and the amount of draw you use, you can try to hit somewhere between the low side of the 14 and the high side of the 5. As long as you do this, then from the angle and speed you are coming into the rack, you are going to demolish it and keep control of the cueball.

- Steve

Good matches today Steve! I used this break shot today with excellent results. I chose it over a traditional side break shot with 5 balls left. I overran my position at 'A' a little and left a 75 degree cut at 'B' instead of a 55 or 60 degree cut. It made me realize that there's quite a bit of leeway where the shot is still easy and effective.

The rack exploded beautifully!

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