Possible to add more connection on a piloted joint?

twilight

twilight

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Strange question, but lets say I have a shaft from an older cue that is a 5/16x14 piloted and I want to put it on another cue. On the former cue, the shaft gets slightly tighter when screwed together. On the later cue, the pilot gets very close, but doesn't have as much contact with the sleeve on the butt joint. The same shaft doesn't quite feel the same and I don't know if it's that connection or if it's the type of materials used in the butt. both are stainless steel joints though.

Hypothetically, is it possible to add more contact on the shaft's pilot?
Is the difference of feel in the butt, meaning no matter if I add more contact, it'd feel the same? Just curious.
 
twilight said:
Hypothetically, is it possible to add more contact on the shaft's pilot?

Is the difference of feel in the butt, meaning no matter if I add more contact, it'd feel the same? Just curious.
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I'll give my answer to the second question. More contact area is what a lot of cuemakers strive for in order to ... quiet the hit of a piloted joint (among other things).

For the first question, I'm not a cuemaker, from my industry it's a hell of a lot easier to take off material than add it back on. I'm guessing joint reconstruction is in order.

Fred
 
I read on the forums that if you had one of those 3/8x10 or radial pins and the wood thread gets loose, you can put thin superglue in the thread of the shaft to tighten it up. Lets say the pilot on a 5/16x14 used to be tighter on a cue.
Could you use this same method (coat the pilot)to add a fraction of a millimeter for more tightness?
Could you swell up the pilot if it's mostly wood by just wetting it?
What would you do if the pilot was mostly metal? would you do the above method and cut 1/16th of an inch off the shaft to get some wood?
 
twilight said:
Strange question, but lets say I have a shaft from an older cue that is a 5/16x14 piloted and I want to put it on another cue. On the former cue, the shaft gets slightly tighter when screwed together. On the later cue, the pilot gets very close, but doesn't have as much contact with the sleeve on the butt joint. The same shaft doesn't quite feel the same and I don't know if it's that connection or if it's the type of materials used in the butt. both are stainless steel joints though.

Hypothetically, is it possible to add more contact on the shaft's pilot?
Is the difference of feel in the butt, meaning no matter if I add more contact, it'd feel the same? Just curious.
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I have had this problem in the past on one of my own cues. If you have a long piloted section below the shaft collar(approx 1/4 to 1/2) like the older Brunswick's you can turn the old shaft Pilot down to the shaft insert.

Then cut a new pilot out of wood or even phenolic the same diameter as the shaft collar, and center drill and tap it to the thread of the insert, making sure the connection where the old and the new material joins fits tightly together. If this done correctly there will not even be a noticeable seam.

Then apply epoxy and screw it on the old exposed insert. When the epoxy dries turn this tenon to the desired diameter, and reface the shaft.

Any cue repairman should be able to accomplish this repair without a problem. If someone brought this situation into my Pro-shop I would charge approximately $20.

However, remember the price for any repair will vary from location to location based on demand and economics.

Hope this helps!!!!

Manwon
 
twilight said:
I read on the forums that if you had one of those 3/8x10 or radial pins and the wood thread gets loose, you can put thin superglue in the thread of the shaft to tighten it up. Lets say the pilot on a 5/16x14 used to be tighter on a cue.
Could you use this same method (coat the pilot)to add a fraction of a millimeter for more tightness?
Could you swell up the pilot if it's mostly wood by just wetting it?
What would you do if the pilot was mostly metal? would you do the above method and cut 1/16th of an inch off the shaft to get some wood?
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It's gonna break up eventually and loosen up again... not a good solution
 
Well, I've been doing a little more research behind this and I found that there are products out there designed to swell wood especially in the case for furniture. Supposedly if a peg is too loose in a hole, you could use these wood swelling products to make them fit tighter. A carpenter friend of mine told me about them and would get me a tiny bottle if I wanted. He said that the swelling isn't temporarly unlike soaking wood in water. Granted his point of view is from a carpenter who makes wood furniture. (not the plywood stuff, solid pieces of wood)

If I were to try this, it'd probably be on a cheapo $20 cue with a pilot. Anyone here think this stuff could swell the wood around a the pilot to get it tighter? There's so little wood there to begin with but as stated in the original post, there's some contact, it's just not as tight as other pilots.
 
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