Power Draw

"The only thing that matters is your comfortable with your equipment. That and the tip is well chalked and in good condition."

That's you Rod,
respond to my question first please

"What about the throngs of players who can impart much top spin and english using properly maintained equipment but still can't draw? How does his crappy advice address that?"
 
smashmouth said:
"The only thing that matters is your comfortable with your equipment. That and the tip is well chalked and in good condition."

That's you Rod,
respond to my question first please

"What about the throngs of players who can impart much top spin and english using properly maintained equipment but still can't draw? How does his crappy advice address that?"

They need to be taught good stroke fundamentals and hit the c/b lower. Over

Rod
 
Rod said:
They need to be taught good stroke fundamentals and hit the c/b lower. Over

Rod

Wrong!The correct answer is:
a basic cue shaft and le pro tip in decent condition
Period!!
 
"The only thing that matters is your comfortable with your equipment. That and the tip is well chalked and in good condition."

That's you Rod, and then you again

"They need to be taught good stroke fundamentals and hit the c/b lower"

So if you're a man, you must acknowledge that your initial advice was incorrect and you were wrong as clearly and by your own admission, a tip and chalk is not the onlything that matters.

The funny thing is that your comment about stroke fundamentals is entirely correct, as stroke is the be all/end all of imparting cueball spin.

Laminated shafts and layered tips tend to offer much more spin and power, they tend to mask a weak stroke. It's an artifical way of learning so to speak, like the aluminum bat wielding college baseball stars who cringe at the thought of wooden bats, the performance advantage is gone, now they have to go back to fundamentals, fundamentals they never learned properly due to advanced equipment.

Consider this, (and the golf industry is about 1000 times worse) but at what point do you consider the equipment to be cheating?

Imo, pred shafts, OB-1 shafts, a few of the break cues and most of the jump cues have already surpassed this point. Tournaments have been banning jump cues for a while, the IPT banned phenolic tips, there are people that see this type of equipmnent as making the game too easy.

Ultimately, learning on said equipment will hinder you, the same way all the old IPT pros were thrilled about not using simonis, alot of the simonis playing pros were practically pissing themselve's at the thought of slower cloth, heaven forbid!!!! Their stroke couldn't handle it because they grew up on this nappless wonder cloth that allowed table length draws with no skill at all.

Again, stroke and spin are all about the fundamentals, fundamentals should be learned on basic equipment. Look at it this way, if someone can't draw properly they're probably a beginner, would you recommend a Predator with Moori tip to a beginner?
 
I have drawn the length of the table and back on a 9ft brunswick with aramith balls and simonis.

with the OB at the 1 diamond and the cueball 1 diamond away. 17+ feet in total
 
smashmouth said:
because it is lengthy, and twits like Rod who post out of their ass for the sole purpose of discrediting me should not be entitled to the beneift of such an educated opinion

I dont't think a pm is an unreasonable request

why don't we just leave it at Rod's brilliant advice

"The only thing that matters is your comfortable with your equipment. That and the tip is well chalked and in good condition."

hmmm what a simpleton

What about the throngs of players who can impart much top spin and english using properly maintained equipment but still can't draw? How does his crappy advice address that? According to him as long as your comfortable and have a chalked and shaped tip right..........

lol

You are taking his statement out of context. He was arguing against your statement that the type of tip you are using is somehow part of the equation. Kind of the opposite of saying that fundamentals aren't important.

Layered tips aren't a performance enhancer. People use them because they behave consistently from sample to sample, and typically hold their shape with less tinkering. It's not because installing one turns them into Johnny Archer overnight.
 
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smashmouth!!!!!!!

This is a no win situation for you. Basically your statement won't hold water. If table conditions are good,your fundamentals are good all you need to trust your stroke an let it fly. It doen't matter if your tip is LaPro,laminated or milkdud. If LaPro is what you like thats great but there are atleast 2 dozen tips that preform equally or better without the mushroom factor.
Pinocchio
 
degenrat said:
I have drawn the length of the table and back on a 9ft brunswick with aramith balls and simonis.

with the OB at the 1 diamond and the cueball 1 diamond away. 17+ feet in total

Same here.
 
Pinocchio said:
This is a no win situation for you. Basically your statement won't hold water. If table conditions are good,your fundamentals are good all you need to trust your stroke an let it fly. It doen't matter if your tip is LaPro,laminated or milkdud. If LaPro is what you like thats great but there are atleast 2 dozen tips that preform equally or better without the mushroom factor.
Pinocchio

Isn't this the same thing he was saying? Maybe I'm missing something...what post are you refering to?
 
seymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smash made so many posts I'm not sure what he said. I type so slow its kinda hard for me to get in on time. If I made a miscue so sorry.
Pinocchio
 
Pinocchio said:
Smash made so many posts I'm not sure what he said. I type so slow its kinda hard for me to get in on time. If I made a miscue so sorry.
Pinocchio

Right on, I'm not sure either. No big deal.
 
Omar said:
You are taking his statement out of context. He was arguing against your statement that the type of tip you are using is somehow part of the equation. Kind of the opposite of saying that fundamentals aren't important.

Layered tips aren't a performance enhancer. People use them because they behave consistently from sample to sample, and typically hold their shape with less tinkering. It's not because installing one turns them into Johnny Archer overnight.

Thanks Omar, that is exactly what I meant. Fundamentals was the assumption no matter what tip or shaft is used. It doesn't matter, mr smash has been put out to pasture. Not by me though, I suppose Mr Wilson got tired of the boy.

Rod
 
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