With all the idiot posters here spewing nonsense I’m surprised you (a person of obviously keen insight and judgment) keep coming back.
pj
chgo
pre-shot routine
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pj
chgo
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pat can speak for himself, but you just said
"Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
how could you possibly rationalize that
when the majority of pro players evidently look at the ob last
watch their eyes- I'm not making this up
so, that being the case- do you really think that there's no sense to it?
ps this is coming from a guy who often plays cb last..
sean <<--- is skeptical, not delusional
That is one (1) - ONE - thing. And you said "MAJORITY" - not 100% of ALL pro players.
So, PJ said "LOTS" of things. The CB last is one. What are all the others if there are lots of things???
and you said "Makes no sense - none at all - to look at the OB last."
would you care to clarify your statement
or do you want to continue playing the "ask the instructor" shell game?
Does 75% = "LOTS"?
If you mean it's wasted on you, I agree.
pj
chgo
In theory, this is good, and for certain shots, it's necessary. But the ebb and flow of moving around and shooting during a player's inning depends on a lot of factors. For example: Sometimes you have to think 4 shots ahead and not 2 in order to work out a particular situation at the table. Once you've decided, and you succeed with the first shot, you don't have to stop and think about two shots ahead on the next shot because you already know. The same goes for simple, straight-forward types of shots. Not that you should get sloppy, but you won't need 45 seconds or even 30 seconds to shoot a straight-in 2 foot stun shot. This is how you develop your rhythm around the table --- sometimes you will move a little quicker and other times, slower. Taking 30 or 45 seconds for every shot isn't necessary and will also drag a match down time-wise, not to mention, turn you into a slow player.
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What professional players look at the cb last? I can't think of one.
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Yes! Thank you. I just went back and fixed it.
hi fran
I said that I personally seem to look at the cb last on a lot of shots
and of course I defended the fact that most pros do the opposite
so I hope by asking this question, you don't think I'm arguing for cb last
but since you asked..
I've heard that on his instructional dvd, rodney morris claimed cb last
and I think someone here on azb heard from ralf souquet that he does cb last
I've never spent a lot of time looking for this myself..I don't care that much
naturally, I've been comfortable with the cb last idea
I'm also open to experimenting with my eye pattern
but it's not been a priority for me
do you think it should be?
Your choice is your choice. Since you wrote that the majority of pros look at the ob last, I'm just wondering which ones don't. I can't think of any. Can you?
I said in my post..rodney and ralf (allegedly)
but I also said I'm not taking a poll
re: my inclination to shoot cb last
like I said, I'm not slave to it..it just comes naturally to me
and what shortcomings I have on the table
don't seem to have much to do with where I look last
I'm not sure where you heard that about Rodney and Ralf but I've seen them both play close-up and they both look at the ob last. Can you think of any other pros?
Me.........
if you're really curious, search the forums
otherwise, you've asked me the same question three times now
are you considering me an authority for some reason, or trying to make a point?
Rodney states cue ball last in the fundamental section of the Break and Run dvds. He says Efren is cue ball last as well. He says players who look at cue ball last tend to have better cue ball control while players who look at object ball last are generally better shot makers.
Fedor Gorst and Oscar Dominguez have also said they look at cue ball last. Jeremy Jones made a facebook post on the subject and quite a few pros chimed in there.
Yes, of course I'm trying to make a point. You wrote that most pros look at the ob last. I think maybe it's not most pros. Maybe all pros. Of course I'm not including the exception shots like break shots and jump shots because then most look at the cb last on those. But we're talking about all of the basic shots. I think it's misleading to say "most" when it may be all. But if you can find a list of pros who do look at the cb last, then you're justified in saying that some do. Don't I have the right to ask you who they are since you were the one who made that statement?
Have you been able to verify it when watching them during actual matches? Rodney, for example, is such a naturally gifted player with such great hand-eye coordination. I can't see how he could possibly give that up, unless maybe he was going through a period of experimentation. I've watched Efren play many times and never saw him look at the cb last for all normal shots. How about you? Can you link us to matches where these guys looked at the cb last?
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