Predator 314 Shaft

Hal said:
WTF are you talking about??
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Hal, I forgot to answer the last time you asked me this question. For lack of shaft technology lingo, I'll explain it in my terminology. I feel like this shaft puts an unusally large amount of spin on the ball when I'm NOT expecting it.For example: On a long straight in shot when I'm looking to just stop the cue ball, it seems that if you do not hit the absolute center of the cue ball, you will get spin of some sort on the shot. I'm sure I don't have a straight stroke and my eyes might not be so great anymore, but after playing with a Bender for a long time, the way I would describe the hit is that it has "give".Whereas the Bender was very stiff. Maybe this is the wrong terminology. I don't know how else to describe it. On a bar table, you can get away with alittle spin but not on a 9 footer. Feel free to explain in technical terms what it is I am experiencing with my Predator. Thanks
 
dogginda9 said:
. For example: On a long straight in shot when I'm looking to just stop the cue ball, it seems that if you do not hit the absolute center of the cue ball, you will get spin of some sort on the shot.
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At what speed??? On a long shot, if you hit it smooth you can actually achieve a stop shot by hitting a little below center...It all depends on how hard your hitting the ball...Have you tried varying speeds???
 
BRKNRUN said:
At what speed??? On a long shot, if you hit it smooth you can actually achieve a stop shot by hitting a little below center...It all depends on how hard your hitting the ball...Have you tried varying speeds???
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This is just a casual example of what I'm trying to describe. For the sake of conversation, I'll say that the slower the speed, the more spin I get. Once again though, it could be my crooked ass stroke.
 
dogginda9 said:
Hal, I forgot to answer the last time you asked me this question. For lack of shaft technology lingo, I'll explain it in my terminology. I feel like this shaft puts an unusally large amount of spin on the ball when I'm NOT expecting it.For example: On a long straight in shot when I'm looking to just stop the cue ball, it seems that if you do not hit the absolute center of the cue ball, you will get spin of some sort on the shot. I'm sure I don't have a straight stroke and my eyes might not be so great anymore, but after playing with a Bender for a long time, the way I would describe the hit is that it has "give".Whereas the Bender was very stiff. Maybe this is the wrong terminology. I don't know how else to describe it. On a bar table, you can get away with alittle spin but not on a 9 footer. Feel free to explain in technical terms what it is I am experiencing with my Predator. Thanks
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I NEVER POSTED WTF. DO YOUR OWN TECHNICAL TERMS.

HAL
 
sonia said:
I NEVER POSTED WTF. DO YOUR OWN TECHNICAL TERMS.

HAL
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Feel free to apologize for this mistaken post as you are NOT, I repeat NOT HAL on AZ Billiards. You are Sonia. TYVM
 
dogginda9 said:
This is just a casual example of what I'm trying to describe. For the sake of conversation, I'll say that the slower the speed, the more spin I get. Once again though, it could be my crooked ass stroke.
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It sounds like you are referring to side spin. You can check for unwanted side spin by putting the CB on the spot and shoot to the center diamond and make the CB return to the spot…If it does not return to the spot, you are getting unwanted side spin.

Sometimes where you see is center ball and where you are actually cueing too on the CB are two different things, or you could be swerving the cue…(both are normally set up problems) ….You may need someone (instructor) to look at your set up and check and make sure your alignment is accurate.
 
dogginda9 said:
Hal, I forgot to answer the last time you asked me this question. For lack of shaft technology lingo, I'll explain it in my terminology. I feel like this shaft puts an unusally large amount of spin on the ball when I'm NOT expecting it.For example: On a long straight in shot when I'm looking to just stop the cue ball, it seems that if you do not hit the absolute center of the cue ball, you will get spin of some sort on the shot. I'm sure I don't have a straight stroke and my eyes might not be so great anymore, but after playing with a Bender for a long time, the way I would describe the hit is that it has "give".Whereas the Bender was very stiff. Maybe this is the wrong terminology. I don't know how else to describe it. On a bar table, you can get away with alittle spin but not on a 9 footer. Feel free to explain in technical terms what it is I am experiencing with my Predator. Thanks
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I'm sorry, but I do not believe that a cue can impart spin on a cue ball. Spin is a function of your stroke, not your cue. Spin is a direct result of where on the cue ball you make contact with the tip, and the speed of the stroke. The cue doesn't increase the amount of spin, your stroke does.
Steve
 
dogginda9 said:
This is just a casual example of what I'm trying to describe. For the sake of conversation, I'll say that the slower the speed, the more spin I get. Once again though, it could be my crooked ass stroke.
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And that is exactly what is supposed to happen. If you stroke off center then you get spin. The slower the stroke the more spin. On a 7 foot bar table where most shots are less than 7 feet the spin does not take effect because all the shots are short. Same shot (but longer) on a 9 foot table will curve off in the last foot or so. Just like a pitcher throwing a curve ball. have him move a few feet closer to the plate and he will not be able to curve the ball.

I played with a 314 for a few years and it was okay. Then I bought a Schon LTD and fortunately my 314 did not fit it. I was about to buy a 314 when all of a sudden I found that I really like the feel of the shaft that came with my Schon. So no sense for me getting a 314. I just move that contact point a little bit on the long shots.

Oh, and the proof of how good it is is in how many matches I am now winning. Does not matter a bit how nice it feels, or how good it hits, or how good it looks if you do not win matches.

It's not the 314 - It's the man operating it.

Jake
 
Just so there is no misunderstanding in what I'm saying. I LIKE MY PREDATOR. I'm sure my mechanics are not good. And I'm sure my stroke is not straight. MY opinion here is that with some of the other cues out there, for instance. A SW or a Bender. You get what you put into the stroke. No more, no less. You have to work harder or have a better stroke to get the cue ball to do the same thing I can get my Predator to do with less effort. That's why I like the shaft. If I had a better stroke or played better, maybe I would use a SW or a really stiff hitting cue. But there are definitely times that I feel the predator shaft does some strange things. This is just an opinion though and I have no technical data to support it. Just playing experiences.
Jake hit it on the head. "The proof is in the pudding." How well you play with it is all that matters.
 
Hal said:
No. It's a 9 ball.
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So...you took Jude's 9-ball poem to heart and really jammed it up there and it ended up coming out the other end....WOW!! A three-rail-sphincter bank shot right down the pipe!!
 
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