Predator CONFIRMS revo 12.9 has LOWER deflection than 12.4 !!!

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mcc23

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Having read some archive discussion where some members here who have tried out both 12.9 and 12.4 revo and found the 12.9 having less deflection longer pivot point (not by much ) then the 12.4 . I decided to confirm this with Predator itself by sending them an email (email photo below ) asking if its true and that the reason why this is so (as mentioend here ) is because even with the 12.9 " being bigger in diameter than the 12.4, its carbon fiber wall in the shaft end is THINNER than the 12.4 and thus lower shaft end weigth and deflection for the 12.9 . In their reply though they did not discuss about the carbon wall thickness comparison between the 2 they did say and I quote

Thank you for contacting us.

The REVO 12.9mm is the lowest deflection shaft, of the three.

I can also tell you, the most popular of the three, is the REVO 12.4mm.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Sincerely,

Kim Newsome (Predator group )

as seen https://www.signalhire.com/companies/predator-group
Kim Newsome is a product specialist at predator and former (?) or still active women pro player who is sponsored by predetor

to be clear my email was sent directly to Predator company , not to Kim, it was Predator's choice to have kim reply to the email
 

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Earth-shattering. ;) I've A-B'd those side-by-side and in real world playing i didn't see any diff in squirt. Maybe under lab. conditions with super hi-speed video you might see a tiny difference. Nice that they responded to you. I've asked Pred. a lot of stuff over the yrs and they rarely reply.
 
Zerksies said:
Probably because of the mass of the shaft. So i would assume the 11.8 has the most deflection
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i think the archives mentioned that with a thinner shaft diameter may require a thicker carbon fiber wall in the shaft end along with a shorter pro taper to be stiff enough thus increasing shaft end weight compared to 12.9 ( which is suspected to have a thinner carbon fiber wall ) and longer pro taper may be the reason the 12.4 as predator now confirms is not the lower deflection shaft compared to the 12.9. I did not ask abou the 11.8 revo . My stroke is not good enough yet to go that thin
 
mcc23 said:
i think the archives mentioned that with a thinner shaft diameter may require a thicker carbon fiber wall in the shaft end along with a shorter pro taper to be stiff enough thus increasing shaft end weight compared to 12.9 ( which is suspected to have a thinner carbon fiber wall ) and longer pro taper may be the reason may be the reason the 12.4 as predator now confirms is not the lower deflection shaft compared to the 12.9. I did not ask abou the 11.8 revo . My stroke is not good enough yet to go that thin
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In 'real world' usage you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference in the three. Pick a size you like and go. I AB'd my 12.8Rhino against a couple smaller(and WAY more $$) CF shafts, a Mezz(12.2) and a Cynergy(12.5). The Ignite 'might' have deflected a tad less but its so close its hard to say for sure. The Cyn. and the Rhino were basically a dead draw.
 
garczar said:
In 'real world' usage you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference in the three. Pick a size you like and go. I AB'd my 12.8Rhino against a couple smaller(and WAY more $$) CF shafts, a Mezz(12.2) and a Cynergy(12.5). The Ignite 'might' have deflected a tad less but its so close its hard to say for sure. The Cyn. and the Rhino were basically a dead draw.
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I agree. Ignite is very low deflection. It is so close to Z2 as can be.
 
garczar said:
In 'real world' usage you'd be hard-pressed to tell a difference in the three. Pick a size you like and go. I AB'd my 12.8Rhino against a couple smaller(and WAY more $$) CF shafts, a Mezz(12.2) and a Cynergy(12.5). The Ignite 'might' have deflected a tad less but its so close its hard to say for sure. The Cyn. and the Rhino were basically a dead draw.
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agree 100% i was just curious to know whether there is truth to it (12.9 revo lesser deflection than 12.4 ). Would have been nice had they confirmed the wall thickness thing ITs not some trade secret anyway all one has to do is buy 1 of each slice it open and measure the shaft end carbon wall thickness . I dont have the budget to do such if I did Imight do so myself just out of curiosity. :)
 
mcc23 said:
agree 100% i was just curious to know whether there is truth to it (12.9 revo lesser deflection than 12.4 ). Would have been nice had they confirmed the wall thickness thing ITs not some trade secret anyway all one has to do is buy 1 of each slice it open and measure the shaft end carbon wall thickness . I dont have the budget to do such if I did Imight do so myself just out of curiosity. :)
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Smaller diam. tubes would almost have to have thicker walls to be stiff enough.
 
garczar said:
Earth-shattering. ;) I've A-B'd those side-by-side and in real world playing i didn't see any diff in squirt. Maybe under lab. conditions with super hi-speed video you might see a tiny difference. Nice that they responded to you. I've asked Pred. a lot of stuff over the yrs and they rarely reply.
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check this video by a member here dr dave
test result are see attachment . His test though show the 12.4 having less deflection than 12.9
 

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mcc23 said:
check this video by a member here dr dave
test result are see attachment . His test though show the 12.4 having less deflection than 12.9
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Did you see the numbers?????? Not enough diff to tell. You need to not worry about this minutia. Find a size/price shaft you like and go PLAY with it.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
I'd find it interesting to know if predator tests deflection.
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They've been testing cues/shafts their entire time in business. Think they developed the 314 and later shafts by just guessing? What would make one think they didn't? More than one co. has used hi-speed video to check on deflection.
 
mcc23 said:
i think the archives mentioned that with a thinner shaft diameter may require a thicker carbon fiber wall in the shaft end along with a shorter pro taper to be stiff enough thus increasing shaft end weight compared to 12.9 ( which is suspected to have a thinner carbon fiber wall ) and longer pro taper may be the reason the 12.4 as predator now confirms is not the lower deflection shaft compared to the 12.9. I did not ask abou the 11.8 revo . My stroke is not good enough yet to go that thin
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I think 11.8 is way too small for pool myself personally.
 
garczar said:
They've been testing cues/shafts their entire time in business. Think they developed the 314 and later shafts by just guessing? What would make one think they didn't? More than one co. has used hi-speed video to check on deflection.
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Are those tests actually valid scientifically? Are they third-party double-blind? I've never seen any tests that meet the rigors of scientific validation. So, I don't believe they test. They market, they claim, they show videos, but they don't test.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Are those tests actually valid scientifically? Are they third-party double-blind? I've never seen any tests that meet the rigors of scientific validation. So, I don't believe they test. They market, they claim, they show videos, but they don't test.
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You've got to be one of the biggest predator haters on this board. Go figure?
 
mcc23 said:
Having read some archive discussion where some members here who have tried out both 12.9 and 12.4 revo and found the 12.9 having less deflection longer pivot point (not by much ) then the 12.4 . I decided to confirm this with Predator itself by sending them an email (email photo below ) asking if its true and that the reason why this is so (as mentioend here ) is because even with the 12.9 " being bigger in diameter than the 12.4, its carbon fiber wall in the shaft end is THINNER than the 12.4 and thus lower shaft end weigth and deflection for the 12.9 . In their reply though they did not discuss about the carbon wall thickness comparison between the 2 they did say and I quote

Thank you for contacting us.

The REVO 12.9mm is the lowest deflection shaft, of the three.

I can also tell you, the most popular of the three, is the REVO 12.4mm.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Sincerely,

Kim Newsome (Predator group )

as seen https://www.signalhire.com/companies/predator-group
Kim Newsome is a product specialist at predator and former (?) or still active women pro player who is sponsored by predetor

to be clear my email was sent directly to Predator company , not to Kim, it was Predator's choice to have kim reply to the email
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I was in the same exact boat as you. Played gen 1 and 2 314's since the mid 90s. I must have had 15 of them at least. (I used to break them when I was young and dumb!).

2 years ago I decided to switch to Revo. I figured the Revo 12.9 was the closest, and bought 3 new ones at 30" long (matching my 314's) to upgrade all my cues to the same shaft. I hated it. The deflection was fine, but the sighting and english applied seemed to be off. It felt bigger in my hands. I think that tiny bit bigger tip was applying less english. So I put them away and went back to the 314-2. Fast forward 6 months and I found a used 29" Revo 12.4 for a decent price. This one fit my hands perfectly. It felt just like the 314's I'd been using since the 90's. It was like riding a bike, everything felt great.

I'd highly recommend the 12.4 if you are coming from a 314. That's my personal experience:)

At minimum, don't do what I did and buy shafts for all your cues without first trying both diameters extensively. Buy used if you need to, you can try them for a month and then sell at the same or similar price.
 
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