Predator Ferrule Disaster

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"Triplecrosscues are in NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH THE MO-RON THAT DID MY WORK YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK TOM OUT HE HAS SOME SICK SHAFTS I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST TO THAT!"


Shane,
Thanks for the plug in your response quoted above. But all my shafts are slick not sick!!!! lol HaHaHaHa!
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues

PS. The ice pick hole may be a slight problem. If stabbed in by hand it probably is not going to be filled with uniform weight distribution. Maybe you won't feel the difference but I wouldn't guarantee it. Let me know if I can help.:cool:
 
if rat is a liscensed predator seller and repairer he hight be able to fix that foam somehow. they put it in there once i bet someone can do it again
 
Hey Rat Help

I have been looking for a predator 314 -2 shaft for my 5280 cue and everyone i have looked at has been around 181.00 dollars..i think thats a bit steep for a shaft that has had two upgrades z and z2. I also would like to know why are the shaft for the Radial pin so much more expensive. if you can seel me a 314-2 shaft at a better price than 181.00 i would appreciate it. thanks and great thread...learned alot about the shaft i play with. I have a lucassi with a orginal 314
 
quitecoolguy said:
I have been looking for a predator 314 -2 shaft for my 5280 cue and everyone i have looked at has been around 181.00 dollars..i think thats a bit steep for a shaft that has had two upgrades z and z2. I also would like to know why are the shaft for the Radial pin so much more expensive. if you can seel me a 314-2 shaft at a better price than 181.00 i would appreciate it. thanks and great thread...learned alot about the shaft i play with. I have a lucassi with a orginal 314
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181.00 sounds like a real good price. The list is much higher. The 314-2 is the up-grade. Z shafts are a different animal than the 314, not an up-grade.

Dick
 
TripXQ said:
"Triplecrosscues are in NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH THE MO-RON THAT DID MY WORK YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK TOM OUT HE HAS SOME SICK SHAFTS I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST TO THAT!"


Shane,
Thanks for the plug in your response quoted above. But all my shafts are slick not sick!!!! lol HaHaHaHa!
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues

PS. The ice pick hole may be a slight problem. If stabbed in by hand it probably is not going to be filled with uniform weight distribution. Maybe you won't feel the difference but I wouldn't guarantee it. Let me know if I can help.:cool:
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The foam has nothing to do with weight distribution. It's only a plug to keep the glue used on the ferrule from running into the hollow area.
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
The foam has nothing to do with weight distribution. It's only a plug to keep the glue used on the ferrule from running into the hollow area.
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That sounds logical.

Dick
 
TellsItLikeItIs said:
The foam has nothing to do with weight distribution. It's only a plug to keep the glue used on the ferrule from running into the hollow area.
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you may be right but i think the foam is there to help dampen the vibration in the shaft
 
cue disaster

The foam is an acoustic vibration damper to help produce predators "thunk" sound when you hit the balls. They imply that the sound deadening allows for a more solid hit. I'm not going to debate this issue. It's their proprietary advertising information. What I was implying when I said filling would cause an irregular weight distribution was correct, if you cannot match the foam density exactly. Filling the irregular ice pick hole with another material(thin glue, wax, or another type of foam, etc) will give a slight imbalance in density down the ice pick hole length. This may or may not be picked up by the feedback of the cue to the player. The sensitivity of the player's shooting hand may be tested here. To do the job properly the foam should be removed (gently drilled out) and replaced with a new uniform charge of foam. Then the ferrule and tip need to be replaced properly (without a tenon). Good luck with this project.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
 
TripXQ said:
The foam is an acoustic vibration damper to help produce predators "thunk" sound when you hit the balls. They imply that the sound deadening allows for a more solid hit. I'm not going to debate this issue. It's their proprietary advertising information. What I was implying when I said filling would cause an irregular weight distribution was correct, if you cannot match the foam density exactly. Filling the irregular ice pick hole with another material(thin glue, wax, or another type of foam, etc) will give a slight imbalance in density down the ice pick hole length. This may or may not be picked up by the feedback of the cue to the player. The sensitivity of the player's shooting hand may be tested here. To do the job properly the foam should be removed (gently drilled out) and replaced with a new uniform charge of foam. Then the ferrule and tip need to be replaced properly (without a tenon). Good luck with this project.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
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They can imply whatever they want Tom, and I'm not going to debate the issue either, but I know what I know!
A customer brought two Pred shafts to me to show how they had seperated at the seams. He had cleaned them with Magic Eraser using "plenty of water" to "be sure they were good & clean". They were!

Both had seperated for approximately 8-10 inches along the seams. His decision, and his alone, was to cut one open to see how they were made. What we found was a hole approx 4 3/4" deep with a foam plug that measured approx 3/8". It did not fill the entire depth of the hole. I once heard there was a carbon fiber tube inside too. There was not. The only thing that supports the hole is the adhesive bonding the segments together.

I can see two possible purposes of the foam plug. First to prevent the ferrule glue from running into the hole. Second to reinforce the hole some while the ferrule tenon is being cut (the 2nd is more a guess than anything though).

Do you think it's possible this particular shaft was "shorted" in the foam department? I don't.

I looked at their web site for the "proprietary advertising information" concerning the foam but didn't see it. Can you provide a link?
 
If I recall, I read on another forum that Predator uses the small shot of expanding foam in the end of their shafts to keep debris out of the hole during the manufacturing process. I don't remember who it was that made the post, but I do remember that he was from Predator.

I hope this helps

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
If I recall, I read on another forum that Predator uses the small shot of expanding foam in the end of their shafts to keep debris out of the hole during the manufacturing process. I don't remember who it was that made the post, but I do remember that he was from Predator.

I hope this helps

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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That would work!
 
quitecoolguy said:
I have been looking for a predator 314 -2 shaft for my 5280 cue and everyone i have looked at has been around 181.00 dollars..i think thats a bit steep for a shaft that has had two upgrades z and z2. I also would like to know why are the shaft for the Radial pin so much more expensive. if you can seel me a 314-2 shaft at a better price than 181.00 i would appreciate it. thanks and great thread...learned alot about the shaft i play with. I have a lucassi with a orginal 314
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The stock Radial 314-2 shaft may not fit on your 5280 cue because they (5280) use a knockoff "ball thread" that has a little different pitch. The phenolic insert they now use is unforgiving, unlike the 1st Gen with the wood threads.

$181 is the lowest anyone can advertise the shaft.

The Z shaft is not an really an upgrade but, as Dick said, a totally different animal. As per a meeting last week with Predator reps, they said the testing showed the Z shaft as more accurate than the 314. Now, before you run out to buy one, consider what areas of play need help. Is it moving the cue ball? Is it deflection? Each has its own advantage and you need to speak with a QUALIFIED sales rep to figure out which is best for you. (I am not sale but am more than qualified);)
 
I move the cue ball pretty well with a 314 shaft..but i used a lucassi and 314 , well a buddy gave me a 5280 i loved the hit of the cue but kept noticing that i would miss key med and long distance shots ...well i got a hair up my azz and put my lucassi and 314 back together and low and behold that key miss went away...well i havent shot with my 5280 since then but i miss it. So i guess deflection is what im looking to reduce..is the 314/2 or z shaft better at this. I went over a good friend of mine who has a dp and a Parrot cue with a radial pin. He had 314 shaft that were blanks and were fitted with a radial insert and his shaft fit on my 5280 and it hit unreal..i was watering at the mouth to get one on. So any info you can gve me on the 314 vs the z shaft would be great.
 
Rat, will this foam in my shaft (that was violated by the ice pick) have any effect on playability since it now has the hole pierced thru the foam. I don't know how deep the foam goes; however I do know that the Ice pick was inserted until the handle (of the ice pick) met the end of the shaft minus the ferrule.

I believe the shaft to be a 1st gen Z partial, that Bob Manzino turned and put slightly longer (than predator) Ivory ferrules on.

thanks,

niner
 
quitecoolguy said:
I move the cue ball pretty well with a 314 shaft..but i used a lucassi and 314 , well a buddy gave me a 5280 i loved the hit of the cue but kept noticing that i would miss key med and long distance shots ...well i got a hair up my azz and put my lucassi and 314 back together and low and behold that key miss went away...well i havent shot with my 5280 since then but i miss it. So i guess deflection is what im looking to reduce..is the 314/2 or z shaft better at this. I went over a good friend of mine who has a dp and a Parrot cue with a radial pin. He had 314 shaft that were blanks and were fitted with a radial insert and his shaft fit on my 5280 and it hit unreal..i was watering at the mouth to get one on. So any info you can gve me on the 314 vs the z shaft would be great.
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The 314-2 wil be just fine for you. The Z is supposed to move the CB around better and produce less deflection but it takes a better stroke.
 
Nine Out said:
Rat, will this foam in my shaft (that was violated by the ice pick) have any effect on playability since it now has the hole pierced thru the foam. I don't know how deep the foam goes; however I do know that the Ice pick was inserted until the handle (of the ice pick) met the end of the shaft minus the ferrule.

I believe the shaft to be a 1st gen Z partial, that Bob Manzino turned and put slightly longer (than predator) Ivory ferrules on.

thanks,

niner
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The hole through the foam will have no real effect on the playabilty of the shaft. The foam is only there to keep the glue from running into the bore in the tip of the shaft.
 
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