Pro 1 / CTE OB on rail

JE54

JE54

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I would appreciate it if Stan or someone could do a youtube showing the OB on the rail and CB at different locations. Saying visuals and the pivot. Whether or not your using english, center, draw or follow on cb.

From both sides of the table.

These locations and any others that you feel are important rail shots.

So everyone is thinking the same.
Use these locations as the starting point.
Starting from the head rail, facing the spot at the kitchen.
The 1st diamond on the short rail on the left is 1.
The 1st diamond on the long rail on the left is 1.

1st position- OB on 5, CB at 1/4 0f a diamond out from the long rail at the 2nd diamond.

2nd- OB on 5 , CB - 1/2 a diamond out from the long rail at 2nd diamond.

3rd- OB 0n 5, CB - 1 diamond out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

4th - OB on 5, CB - 1 1/2 diamonds out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

5TH - OB on 5 - CB - 2 diamonds out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

6th - OB on 5 - CB - 2 1/2 diamonds out from the long rail at 2nd diamond.

7th - OB on 5, CB on the 3rd diamond out from the long rail at the 2nd diamond.

8th - OB on 6 with all the same CB positions

9th - OB on 5 and then 6, CB 1 ball off the long rail.

I could be wrong or just didn't see any, but I don't remember seeing any youtube or in either of Stan's videos showing rail shots.
If there are could you give the link or location.

I realize this is a lot of shots, if you can't do them all, any would be helpful to me as well many others who devote a lot of time to progress using Pro 1 / cte.

THANKS
 
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JE54 said:
I would appreciate it if Stan or someone could do a youtube showing the OB on the rail and CB at different locations. Saying visuals and the pivot. Whether or not your using english, center, draw or follow on cb.

From both sides of the table.

These locations and any others that you feel are important rail shots.

So everyone is thinking the same.
Use these locations as the starting point.
Starting from the head rail, facing the spot at the kitchen.
The 1st diamond on the short rail on the left is 1.
The 1st diamond on the long rail on the left is 1.

1st position- OB on 5, CB at 1/4 0f a diamond out from the long rail at the 2nd diamond.

2nd- OB on 5 , CB - 1/2 a diamond out from the long rail at 2nd diamond.

3rd- OB 0n 5, CB - 1 diamond out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

4th - OB on 5, CB - 1 1/2 diamonds out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

5TH - OB on 5 - CB - 2 diamonds out from long rail at 2nd diamond.

6th - OB on 5 - CB - 2 1/2 diamonds out from the long rail at 2nd diamond.

7th - OB on 5, CB on the 3rd diamond out from the long rail at the 2nd diamond.

8th - OB on 6 with all the same CB positions

9th - OB on 5 and then 6, CB 1 ball off the long rail.

I could be wrong or just didn't see any, but I don't remember seeing any youtube or in either of Stan's videos showing rail shots.
If there are could you give the link or location.

I realize this is a lot of shots, if you can't do them all, any would be helpful to me as well many others who devote a lot of time to progress using Pro 1 / cte.

THANKS
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I do not mind showing or explaining one or 2 diagrammed shots.

Nothing changes at all with rail shots as far as visuals and pivots are concerned. NOTHING

Adjustments can be made for rail shots as in any other system in the form of spin or a slight contacting of the rail first but it all depends on the shot.

Stan Shuffett
 
I realize it's not supposed to change.
I guess what I'm trying to determine is when it's a,b,c or a single line to a or c. And I thought if you, Jerry or someone else did those shots, it might give a reference spot as to when to change aim points or pivots.
And like I said, I knew it was a lot of shots and didn't know whether anyone would do them all. I'm just trying to figure out where it changes.
I guess it's like when you (Stan) did the thin cuts on dvd 2. That showed the change of the pivot, for just a small diatance change between the CB and OB.
 
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Have you watched dvd one? I believe there are a couple on there. mohrt, I believe, also created a couple of pages of CTE shots that lists numerous shot set ups with visuals and sweeps.

For me at least, at first glance, rail shots can appear to be thinner cuts than are required. I practice these by setting up a ghost ball then using that as an assist to establish the correct visual and sweep. For example, I first thought the cb on the spot and the object ball 3 diamonds from the corner pocket had to be cte, etb with an inside sweep to thin the cut. It's actually a or c (depending upon which way you're cutting the ball) with a sweep to thin it out.

If being on the rail makes it tougher for you to see, just move the object ball a chalk width off the rail. 99% of the time, everything will be the same.
 
I understand fully what the original post is saying. Balls frozen to the rail.
As I understand it, all reference shots were @ one chalk width from the rail, which works perfectly.
A reference shot with a ball frozen to the rail ? Did I miss this reference shot somewhere.
Cheers :smile:
 
I've watched the 1st probably between 5 and 10 times. I've watched the 2nd set at least 4 times.
I've watched a lot of the youtubes from Stan, Jerry and Mohrt and I don't remember ever seeing rail shots. I definetly could be wrong on that, that's why I asked for a link if anybody knows of some.
I'm a firm believer in this system and use it most of the time, if not it I use Ron V.'s 90 90. I'll never be a real good player because of other limitations, but when my body will let me, using it, I can play pretty sporty at times.
 
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I'm going off of memory, but with no adjustment it should bring the CB to the point where it hits the OB/rail at the same time. There's a point where you're better to hit the rail first and a lot depends on what you want to do w/ the CB.

For the thinner rail shots, I always go rail first and usually load-up on inside. For big angles, I go the 1/8th visual angle my cue to cross my vision to my desired inside english offset. I angle my cue a good bit because I want a ton of english and micro amount of squirt. I also always use low on the CB to delay the swerve and to maximize the inside "grab."

For me, I don't pivot and I suspect you don't need to visual sweep because you can use the squirt as your pivot. Stan might say visual sweep and adjust with english from that baseline -- either is correct and both deserve a try to see what fits your style.

Using intentional squirt to replace a pivot or sweep deserves discussion. CJ's TOI is really 90-90 or CBE to thick 1/8th and using the squirt to replace the pivot. Ron shoots all inside english shots w/ 90-90 no pivot and CJ built an entire playing system off that.

I prefer: VISUAL>>>NO PIVOT for inside english shots in lieu of ending up at center and then making an additional movement to the english position (BHE or FHE/BHE combination). There's a big benefit to learning which cue angle and offset (no pivot) results in the post-pivot solution.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I'm going off of memory, but with no adjustment it should bring the CB to the point where it hits the OB/rail at the same time. There's a point where you're better to hit the rail first and a lot depends on what you want to do w/ the CB.

For the thinner rail shots, I always go rail first and usually load-up on inside. For big angles, I go the 1/8th visual angle my cue to cross my vision to my desired inside english offset. I angle my cue a good bit because I want a ton of english and micro amount of squirt. I also always use low on the CB to delay the swerve and to maximize the inside "grab."

For me, I don't pivot and I suspect you don't need to visual sweep because you can use the squirt as your pivot. Stan might say visual sweep and adjust with english from that baseline -- either is correct and both deserve a try to see what fits your style.

Using intentional squirt to replace a pivot or sweep deserves discussion. CJ's TOI is really 90-90 or CBE to thick 1/8th and using the squirt to replace the pivot. Ron shoots all inside english shots w/ 90-90 no pivot and CJ built an entire playing system off that.

I prefer: VISUAL>>>NO PIVOT for inside english shots in lieu of ending up at center and then making an additional movement to the english position (BHE or FHE/BHE combination). There's a big benefit to learning which cue angle and offset (no pivot) results in the post-pivot solution.
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What is Key is to begin with the correct visual and often CCB is okay depending on the shot but if spin is chosen then adjustments are going to occur based on many factors. I prefer to use my typical visual when using spin and the correct sweep. From there I land with an angled cue and from there the adjustments can seem like ZERO.

Stan Shuffett
 
For rail shots with spin, it's see and shoot just like any shot. The idea is to play with as little spin as can be used. In CTE PRO ONE the V Of one's bridge hand can easily remain on the shot line for many spin shots.

So, it is real simple. See the shot, then sweep in with the bridge V landing at the CCB shot line. The eyes remain on that line but the cue angles away from that CCB visual line.
There is no extra move or adjustment with CTE PRO ONE for most shots that require spin.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Here is a tidbit I got from one of the strongest players I ever knew (RIP D. B.). When shooting a frozen rail shot, it helps to put top english on the ball. This makes the OB hug the rail. Maybe someone else can explain it, but it seems to work for me :)
 
mohrt said:
Here is a tidbit I got from one of the strongest players I ever knew (RIP D. B.). When shooting a frozen rail shot, it helps to put top english on the ball. This makes the OB hug the rail. Maybe someone else can explain it, but it seems to work for me :)
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That should be some top with INSIDE. There can be an extremely minimal gearing effect to occur but it boils down to the moment of impact.
I do feel the shot better with some inside depending, though, on how the CB OB lays.

Stan Shuffett
 
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JE54 said:
I've watched the 1st probably between 5 and 10 times. I've watched the 2nd set at least 4 times.
I've watched a lot of the youtubes from Stan, Jerry and Mohrt and I don't remember ever seeing rail shots. I definetly could be wrong on that, that's why I asked for a link if anybody knows of some.
I'm a firm believer in this system and use it most of the time, if not it I use Ron V.'s 90 90. I'll never be a real good player because of other limitations, but when my body will let me, using it, I can play pretty sporty at times.
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Don't let this guy fool you. He plays pretty sporty MOST times!
 
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