Pro Express 10 Ball Rules

cardiac kid

cardiac kid

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Can someone explain what the Pro Express 10 Ball rules are? How do they differ from Pro Express nine ball other than the obvious? All the events I've played in recently are nine ball. The recently announced Valley Forge bar box event is ten ball with those rules. Thanks.

Lyn
 
Texas Express has no place in the traditional nomination game of 10-ball

cardiac kid said:
Can someone explain what the Pro Express 10 Ball rules are? How do they differ from Pro Express nine ball other than the obvious? All the events I've played in recently are nine ball. The recently announced Valley Forge bar box event is ten ball with those rules. Thanks.

Lyn
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Perhaps I'm a bit of a purist, but I personally think "Pro Express 10-ball" is an abomination of a game that traditionally is played in lieu of 9-ball *specifically* to steer clear of those "Texas Express" rules! If the "Texas Express" rules are brought forward into the game of 10-ball (a game of which has always been a nomination game -- call the ball and the pocket, for every ball), why even play 10-ball to begin with? Why not just just roll-back to 9-ball?

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I don't understand what the DMIRO crew is trying to do. 10-ball has always been a nomination rotation game. It is a game that much of the tournament industry has "upgraded" (advanced) to, to stay away from the downfalls of 9-ball (e.g. slop, the soft break with "guaranteed" pocketed balls, etc.). And this has been going well, until... Team DMIRO. "Hey, we like where this 10-ball thing is going, but... you will pry my Texas Express rules from my cold dead fingers." <shakes head in bewilderment>

Anyway, forgive the rant, folks. Honestly, I think Texas Express rules have NO PLACE in 10-ball. It ruins the base spirit of the game, as it was originally intended. Let's play the game for the spirit in which it was intended, not because it offers "one more ball to pocket" than 9-ball. (The latter case gives rise to childish "advancements" in tournaments by adding one more ball each time to add a "wow" factor. "Say, so-and-so tournament is on again this year, but this year they've decided to 'upgrade' to 11-ball!" :mad:)

Apologies,
-Sean
 
hi lyn

speakin of 10-ball ! i think it is time for us the players to organize our own
upstate 10-ball league. most of us do not want to play the cny anymore.
it has no value for us. having to pay 120 to win 400 maybe over 2 days
sucks.
so i am thinkin hippo's, that new place in amsterdam (diamonds),dickies and a good place in your city for starters. 2 stops at each would be nice.
that would be an 8 event series with a final tba.
one day events with an entry of 100.
double elim race to 7 on the winners side, race to 5 on the losers side
i'm just throughin stuff out there. i did talk some to grau about it. you know something for us advanced ametures no pros. maybe we can form a commitee to discuss all the things we need to iron out.
what do ya think ?:thumbup:

gary
 
I don't have a opinion one way of the other but 2 questions I hope someone can answer:

1. Why were rotation games designed to not be call pocket/shot like 14.1?

2. When did Texas express rules fall out of favor?

I remember Accu-stats tapes when they were going to make the transition and every commentator thought how much it would improve the game.

The main complaint the commentators had about the old rules was the breaker making 2 or 3 balls on the break scratching and forcing the incoming player to deal with spotted balls. "It'll force those hard breakers to control their cue ball making it a penalty because all balls stay down"
 
Texas Express is still the most popular set of 9-Ball rules.....SPF=randyg
 
Rules

I think using Texas Express rules in 10 ball is great. Except with call the ten ball being added, and no automatic win on the break.
 
I like call all shots. I also like the old Camel Tour 9 ball rules where a roll out was allowed. I forget how it went but it made for a more skilled game. I'd like 10 ball to be as skill based as possible.
 
sfleinen said:
Perhaps I'm a bit of a purist, but I personally think "Pro Express 10-ball" is an abomination of a game that traditionally is played in lieu of 9-ball *specifically* to steer clear of those "Texas Express" rules! If the "Texas Express" rules are brought forward into the game of 10-ball (a game of which has always been a nomination game -- call the ball and the pocket, for every ball), why even play 10-ball to begin with? Why not just just roll-back to 9-ball?

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I don't understand what the DMIRO crew is trying to do. 10-ball has always been a nomination rotation game. It is a game that much of the tournament industry has "upgraded" (advanced) to, to stay away from the downfalls of 9-ball (e.g. slop, the soft break with "guaranteed" pocketed balls, etc.). And this has been going well, until... Team DMIRO. "Hey, we like where this 10-ball thing is going, but... you will pry my Texas Express rules from my cold dead fingers." <shakes head in bewilderment>

Anyway, forgive the rant, folks. Honestly, I think Texas Express rules have NO PLACE in 10-ball. It ruins the base spirit of the game, as it was originally intended. Let's play the game for the spirit in which it was intended, not because it offers "one more ball to pocket" than 9-ball. (The latter case gives rise to childish "advancements" in tournaments by adding one more ball each time to add a "wow" factor. "Say, so-and-so tournament is on again this year, but this year they've decided to 'upgrade' to 11-ball!" :mad:)

Apologies,
-Sean
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Camel ran a lot of 10 ball tournaments with express rules. So express rules are the traditional professional 10 ball rules.

CJ had already tried call shot on the PCA tour playing 9 ball before the Camel 10 ball tournaments. All it did was complicate the game and make it more confusing with less strategy and excitement and more defense. Call shot affects desperate kicks more than anything, where a player should be rewarded for making a great hit if a ball, any ball, is pocketed.
 
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