Pro Pocket Size TOO Small for 9 Ball

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Frosty said:
You are decidedly in the minority. Rotation isn’t meant to be a game of safeties, it’s an offense oriented game.

You like “the safety aspect”? As you’re from the UK, go play snooker then. Not good enough for snooker, which is why you converted to pool, then take up one pocket, a game designed for a lot of safety play.
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Safety play is an important skill and should be part of all cue sports
Frosty said:
No one said anything about “buckets”. A standard Diamond is 4 1/2”, I agree that with new cloth and polished balls in tournament play, on the pro tour, this should be reduced to to 4 1/4”, or say 4 1/8” as the new cloth and polished balls mitigate that reduction a bit.

As others have mentioned, that kind of reduction on club tables for everyday play is kind of unrealistic. Where I play, all the tables have been left at 4 1/2” with the exception of 2 tables tightened to 4 1/8” for one pocket for a small group of us. Of that small group of players, only the owner and I are fond of rotation as well and play it on those 2 tables as well. I’m a “well seasoned” player, as is the owner. Playing rotation on those tables is challenging after the cloth has received several weeks of play. As noted in my previous post, it limits cheating the pocket, which limits positional options.

You say you could “GAF”, but inevitably, in every thread on this subject, you’re quick to point out your views on “maximum accuracy”. You don’t seem to get that “maximum accuracy” is required to divide the pocket into 3 segments and accurately hit those individual sections consistently to get the required position on the following ball. I can hit the center of the pocket every time, but in rotation, that limits positional play, and changes the game, that seems lost on you.
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good. That means pros can’t get away with playing the pocket if they don’t get their angle. It makes position more important. I like that better then letting the best players in the world just play the pocket if they don’t get the proper angle
 
Too tight of pockets in the pro ranks will resort to younger players with better eyesight becoming dominate.
I've got nothing against youth, I'm thinking about the sport....
It'll eventually become a game where the top players will be in their 20's and teens.
In the PGA.... I'm NOT a golfer but love the Production.....
The viewers/onlookers announcers truly Enjoy seeing some of the Old guard (Bernhard Langer a GREAT example) show up once in awhile in the final pairings.
They may not have the youth skills, but they have waaaay more depth/knowledge that their opponents.
Keeping the old guard around.... in ANY sport is good for the GAME.
Makes the competition very exciting.... giving the audience/announcers so much more to inject into the game/moment.
 
Cue Alchemist said:
ralf souquet being a good example of that, but this is way after, My point being they already have the better fundamentals. Its not about experience will keep you down, they just got way of doing it, thats better right now!
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Almost sounds like we agree. :ROFLMAO: Back to the pockets. You have 10, 20 minutes to get in stroke.
You
1) find the easiest table in the house and bang 'em around until your game shows up.
or
2) find the tightest table in the house and make sure the shots go.
or
3) you don't need practice and run around the building for 10 minutes. (for the blood flow)

???
 
Island Drive said:
Too tight of pockets in the pro ranks will resort to younger players with better eyesight becoming dominate.
I've got nothing against youth, I'm thinking about the sport....
It'll eventually become a game where the top players will be in their 20's and teens.
In the PGA.... I'm NOT a golfer but love the Production.....
The viewers/onlookers announcers truly Enjoy seeing some of the Old guard (Bernhard Langer a GREAT example) show up once in awhile in the final pairings.
They may not have the youth skills, but they have waaaay more depth/knowledge that their opponents.
Keeping the old guard around.... in ANY sport is good for the GAME.
Makes the competition very exciting.... giving the audience/announcers so much more to inject into the game/moment.
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No you don't euthanize the old garde but you don't let 'em play either. They have senior leagues for that. I can see lots of room for improving senior's training which, could go a very long way.
 
I'm not talking about LEAGUES.....
SVB is a great example, I'd love to see him in the finals of the US Open again.
Why do you think the old guard is showing up in the Ultimate pool events/skill experience.
I remember awhile back where Earl and Shaw were on a Hill/Hill game in a pro event.
Leagues are leagues. pros are pros.
No Comparison.
Who doesn't enjoy seeing John Daly show up once in awhile.
 
Island Drive said:
I'm not talking about LEAGUES.....
SVB is a great example, I'd love to see him in the finals of the US Open again.
Why do you think the old guard is showing up in the Ultimate pool events/skill experience.
I remember awhile back where Earl and Shaw were on a Hill/Hill game in a pro event.
Leagues are leagues. pros are pros.
No Comparison.
Who doesn't enjoy seeing John Daly show up once in awhile.
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I understand the compulsion to do your craft. They show up because they know they can do it. And for many, It's their best chance at money. I think though, the powers that be, favor the youth. They got more useful life ahead for one. How would you market old guys (and girls) anyway?
 
Island Drive said:
I'm not talking about LEAGUES.....
SVB is a great example, I'd love to see him in the finals of the US Open again.
Why do you think the old guard is showing up in the Ultimate pool events/skill experience.
I remember awhile back where Earl and Shaw were on a Hill/Hill game in a pro event.
Leagues are leagues. pros are pros.
No Comparison.
Who doesn't enjoy seeing John Daly show up once in awhile.
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he was in the finals in the previous US open.. same table specs. i don't get this premature "retiring" of svb, or underrating of his skills on the pro scene. he can still beat anyone in WNT / predator series on any day.
 
skogstokig said:
he was in the finals in the previous US open.. same table specs. i don't get this premature "retiring" of svb, or underrating of his skills on the pro scene. he can still beat anyone in WNT / predator series on any day.
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Well you know Sigel got out while it was good. Probably prematurely but who knows? Wonder if he's happy?
 
straightline said:
Catch up to the past? Sounds archaic. The Euros learned a better way and so far, continue to bring it.

Interestingly, they didn't bother coming up through American ranks. That says a lot for the Murkin way. That almost says the experience will keep you a loser. (?)
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the taiwanese have been playing on tight tables for decades. europeans, aside from UK players, didn't really play on tight tables before. the eurotour had dynamic tables with 4.55" pockets, shallow shelf until year before last. and if i were to guess the GC is still the most common tables in european pool rooms.

but cue alchemist is correct about fundamentals.
 
straightline said:
I understand the compulsion to do your craft. They show up because they know they can do it. And for many, It's their best chance at money. I think though, the powers that be, favor the youth. They got more useful life ahead for one. How would you market old guys (and girls) anyway?
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SVB in a final when he's old is NEWS.... Like Bernhard Langer an amazing talent with a small ball when he's in the hunt, thats news.
Like Efren doing his thing to the kids, or Varner playing Heyball? with the youngsters and winning.
 
when older the first thing to go is accuracy on long shots. so tight pockets as said favors the young with young eyes.

golf vision isnt as important so older players can compete until their strength and reflexes go.
 
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