Pro1 bridge hand placement
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The beauty of Pro One is that it is a visual system. But the fact that it is visual based is what frustrates people.
It reminds me of a drawing that has a subliminal image imbedded in it. Have you ever looked at one and couldn't see the image you are supposed to see? It s frustrating. Then when you finally see it, it becomes obvious and simple to see each time you look at the picture.
Have you ever tried to show someone how to see the subliminal image in a picture but they still don't see it? Can you image trying to do it with words or video? Stan has done a remarkable job in my opinion!
It reminds me of a drawing that has a subliminal image imbedded in it. Have you ever looked at one and couldn't see the image you are supposed to see? It s frustrating. Then when you finally see it, it becomes obvious and simple to see each time you look at the picture.
Have you ever tried to show someone how to see the subliminal image in a picture but they still don't see it? Can you image trying to do it with words or video? Stan has done a remarkable job in my opinion!
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The visual sweep still is a little unclear. Say for example, you doing a cut to the right. You have your visuals with center cue ball to left edge of object ball and cue ball right edge to object ball B and it is a left pivot. Are you sweeping from object ball visuals to center cue ball?
Stan, obviously, I'm not the only one with these questions nor am I the only one frustrated. Just re-read this thread. I have watched your DVD over and over as well as the other materials you mentioned. I made the comment I did because you ignored numerous explicit questions by answering "look at the DVD, the YouTube, blah, blah". Stan, if I understood it by doing that, I wouldn't be posing the questions.
For example, I asked several questions with my 8:32 pm post. I'm simply trying to understand your system. I've traveled to your house twice and put in lots of time and expense Stan. It's not like I'm looking for shortcuts or am unwilling to work at it. You're trying to explain in terms you apparently understand. I asked questions to attempt to get you to explain it in terms I understand. Thus, my Einstein quote. I'm a BSME, test at 99 percentile in spatial relationship understanding and have an IQ well above average. I'm not providing a job resume but simply making a point. If I don't understand it, perhaps there's a reason. When I then ask reasonable questions and the answer is "watch the videos" ...
For example, I asked several questions with my 8:32 pm post. I'm simply trying to understand your system. I've traveled to your house twice and put in lots of time and expense Stan. It's not like I'm looking for shortcuts or am unwilling to work at it. You're trying to explain in terms you apparently understand. I asked questions to attempt to get you to explain it in terms I understand. Thus, my Einstein quote. I'm a BSME, test at 99 percentile in spatial relationship understanding and have an IQ well above average. I'm not providing a job resume but simply making a point. If I don't understand it, perhaps there's a reason. When I then ask reasonable questions and the answer is "watch the videos" ...
Yes, sweep your eyes left to the shot line.
Pro players do not start out at ball address with their eyes on a perceived shot line. Their eyes move or sweep to the actual shot line as they arrive at full stance.
For your right cut as you describe:
In manual you move straight in to the cue ball 1/2 tip left of CCB and then pivot to center. Bridge distance is important.
**For the Left Sweep, once your have your visuals, your eyes will move left. If you are right handed you will feel your left shoulder engage in the slightest of rotation as your eyes move left. Your feet will slightly reposition during this movement to center cue ball. Shoot and make the ball as you arrive at CCB for this exercise.
Set up the same shot you described with 2 dots.
See the visuals and then forget about the visuals but do NOT move your head. Shift your eyes down to the cue ball. You have a fixed cue ball as long as you do not move your eyes/ head.
Now, make the ball. Set it up again. Shoot it 25 times. You just just learned a left pro one movement. You just learned and experienced the professional way to move into a shot with left direction eye movement.
Perhaps, someone will do a Wei table diagram set up for a simple shot with a B OUTSIDE SWEEP like you described. That same shot can be interchanged with a C visual with a CTEL but a right visual sweep can only work for those visuals.
So, the same CB OB position in that case can offer you two sets of visuals with two pivot or sweep options.
Hopefully someone can set this up and I will follow it up with a short YouTube video later this week.
Stan Shuffett
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Bridge distance matters greatly for manual. The system takes you to the shot. In other words after a pivot is made the eyes see the shot.
For visual sweeps the eyes see the shot before the bridge hand is finally placed. So, for visual sweeps, there is much leeway for Bruges distance.
Stan Shuffett
It is nice to have the outside B option. For some shots, depending on whether one is left or right handed, the shot might be accessed much easier with one sweep or the other.
Stan Shuffett
The reason B outsides are not seen so much is because they are the same as INSIDE As and INSIDE Cs with CTE perceptions. That interchange works well up to about 4 to 4.5 diamonds on a 9 footer.
Stan Shuffett
It is a good idea. I have a couple Pro One movement drills included in DVD2.
Stan Shuffett
Guys,
The system really is simple once it clicks. It took me 300 hours to get comfortable and I am still learning.
You have to get to the table and work the sweeps, guess what when you miss you try again until you figure it out. I literally have lines worn in my cloth from the reference shots on the DVD.
I too was frustrated and quit maybe twice but I am glad I came back to it.
BTW - Stan, I assume the interchange from A inside to B outside goes away because the B visual disappears over distance right?
Cheers,
Gerry
The system really is simple once it clicks. It took me 300 hours to get comfortable and I am still learning.
You have to get to the table and work the sweeps, guess what when you miss you try again until you figure it out. I literally have lines worn in my cloth from the reference shots on the DVD.
I too was frustrated and quit maybe twice but I am glad I came back to it.
BTW - Stan, I assume the interchange from A inside to B outside goes away because the B visual disappears over distance right?
Cheers,
Gerry
might be a stupid question but can someone help me out to clarify which out of the two visuals are the shot line?
With all due respect.
Its obvious that Stan has poured his heart and soul into teaching this system. He is a pleasure to speak with on the phone and has posted a lot more free information than is on his dvd. Now obviously not everything is free but he has made himself available for any questions or concerns.
I think the biggest problem with the system is the DVD. I think it should have had someone else available during editing to make sure the proper information was conveyed.
Ive watched it 15 times in 4 days and still am having trouble. It seems to stress finding the 2 lines more than anything. I was watching for hours to find out where to hit the cue ball and what direction do I sweep? what is the purpose of the line that points to A,B or C. what role does it play in the system?
Im convinced that this system works so im going down for a lesson this month. A better produced video would have made it a lot easier to understand and lot less confusing.
Its obvious that Stan has poured his heart and soul into teaching this system. He is a pleasure to speak with on the phone and has posted a lot more free information than is on his dvd. Now obviously not everything is free but he has made himself available for any questions or concerns.
I think the biggest problem with the system is the DVD. I think it should have had someone else available during editing to make sure the proper information was conveyed.
Ive watched it 15 times in 4 days and still am having trouble. It seems to stress finding the 2 lines more than anything. I was watching for hours to find out where to hit the cue ball and what direction do I sweep? what is the purpose of the line that points to A,B or C. what role does it play in the system?
Im convinced that this system works so im going down for a lesson this month. A better produced video would have made it a lot easier to understand and lot less confusing.
Ok, I'm gonna try and answer some questions.
You're looking at both lines/visuals as a road/tunnel that goes from CB to the OB with both of your eyes, looking down the middle of that road/tunnel, like you are standing on the middle of a road.
Now, obviously, if road/tunnel is made of CTEL+A/C it is not the same road/tunnel as the one made of CTEL+B visuals.
Now for sweeps/pivots. For straight ins/thick shots use outside-to-inside pivot/sweep (for a cut to the right use a manual left-to-right 1/2 tip pivot, or a left visual sweep), and for almost all the rest of the shots use inside-to-outside pivot/sweep (for a cut to the right use a manual right-to-left 1/2 tip pivot, or a right visual sweep).
Practice reference shots given on the DVD.
Hope I didn't wrote anything wrong and that it will help.
None!
They serve to put you in a right offset from the CTEL or the get a proper perception of the CTEL for a given shot, and you are just a "1/2 tip manual pivot" or "1 sweep" away from your shot line.