problem in ( Draw Shot )

TOTTI

TOTTI

sMiLe
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HEY everybody


i wrote a thread before , it's about a problem in DRAW SHOT .
i couldn't do it since that time :( and i want to be sure that the problem is in THE CLOTH to change it ?????????
it's an easy shot it's not necessary to be a pro to apply it , just hit the ball low but the cue ball doesn't back very well !!!!!!!!!!

so this is a clip when i did the draw shot ::
http://www.zshare.net/download/16760503c788befc/

i hit the cue ball very HARD and it didn't come back as it should be ???

please What i've to do ? where is the problem ?
 
hey dude. on the last second, it seemed that you hit the CB higher or above than where you originally intended the CB to be hit. always take note that the last action counts the most. though I wouldn't normally recommend this, but try to jack your cue a bit higher in a 20-25 degree angle and make sure to chalk your tip to avoid miscue or jumping the CB. lastly, adjust your bridge farther away from the CB.

*always remember that no matter how hard you hit the CB, if your aim is not accurate, you wont get the desired result.
 
I have to disagree with raising the but of your cue on draw shots.It looks to me like you are hitting the ball hard and not getting much draw.A good draw stroke requires a long follow through stroke and the cue must excelerate thru the cue ball.It is possible to get a good deal of backspin without a hard stroke.Yes it does look like slow cloth but mostly that you are crushing the ball and stunning it.
 
I took another look at the video clip using a video player software with slow-mo picture. you hit the CB just slight below center. that's what you did wrong. I do want to take a snapshot of that sequence inorder to show you in detail, but I need to go now. I'll try to post this tommorow night.
 
First thing I noticed is that your bridge is too short, but with the right stroke you could still get a nice draw.

You punch the ball and you do it too hard this like a stun effect to the shot, you miss your aiming point, not only that the tip goes up but it also moves to the side, you can see the CB spinning.

You also do not follow through enough and the stroke is lacking smoothness...

You jump backwards instead of staying down, let the CB come back to the tip of the cue, for now focus on hitting the right point with the right speed and the right stroke.

I suggest that you place both balls at the center of the table with a foot (about 30cm) between them. and stay down at the shot.
Keep your cue as leveled as possible.
Shoot it like it was in slow motion, see all that takes place during the shot.


draw.jpg
 
skor...a serious error you show, in your photo series here, is something we call "cowboy lasso". Your pictures show you pulling the cue backwards, after striking the CB. This is not necessary, and actually quite detrimental to a good draw stroke. The bridge hand moves the cue out of the way of the CB, not the grip hand.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
TOTTI...Your basic problem is very likely with your grip pressure. Gripping the cue too tightly causes the tip to raise, during the execution of the stroke. It's already been pointed out that you are not striking the CB where you believe you are (even though you're "aiming" what you think is low on the CB). Grip your cue very loosely. Take your index finger and point it straight at the ground, while making sure you finish your stroke. Most of pressure in the grip comes from the thumb and index finger. Hope this helps. If not, find a qualified instructor to help you with this problem.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

TOTTI said:
HEY everybody


i wrote a thread before , it's about a problem in DRAW SHOT .
i couldn't do it since that time :( and i want to be sure that the problem is in THE CLOTH to change it ?????????
it's an easy shot it's not necessary to be a pro to apply it , just hit the ball low but the cue ball doesn't back very well !!!!!!!!!!

so this is a clip when i did the draw shot ::
http://www.zshare.net/download/16760503c788befc/

i hit the cue ball very HARD and it didn't come back as it should be ???

please What i've to do ? where is the problem ?
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Scott Lee said:
skor...a serious error you show, in your photo series here, is something we call "cowboy lasso". Your pictures show you pulling the cue backwards, after striking the CB. This is not necessary, and actually quite detrimental to a good draw stroke. The bridge hand moves the cue out of the way of the CB, not the grip hand.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Hey Scott,

you are correct but just to clear it up, the pictures are screen shots from TOTTI's video. This is not me in the pictures.
If you download and watch the video that TOTTI posted then you'll see that the "cowboy lasso" is just part of the problem with TOTTI's attempt to draw the CB.

TOTTI,
I hope you are not offended here as we are merely trying to help you here ;)
 
I hit my draw shots very low and not to hard. I don't think the cue ball will jump unless you hit the cloth first. Am I right or wrong?

Dave Nelson
 
Dave Nelson said:
I hit my draw shots very low and not to hard. I don't think the cue ball will jump unless you hit the cloth first. Am I right or wrong?

Dave Nelson
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The cue ball jumps on most shots and that's because it is impossible to keep the cue perfectly leveled (because of the rail) on most shots and especially on draw shot.
If you mean "jump" due to a miscue then this will happen when hitting the cue ball too low.
You should find the lowest point that you could hit the CB without miscuing.
You can actually use the same stroke and get different amount of draw just by hitting a different point on the vertical axis bellow center.
 
draw

As I see it;


Grip.

Probably gripping too hard. And hitting way hard. Draw is actually easier if you hit about half speed of what you're doing now. Draw is in the stroke not the speed.

When I practice a draw (my favorite shot/shape, btw) my grip is actually just my first finger and thumb. I align cue low on the CB, find aim point and HOLD this position for one second. Then I do three to four practice strokes, using a loop stroke. This allows me to relax my arm and wrist. I come back to my ready position and again hold it for one second. Now stroke the ball making sure I follow through to the cloth.

I don't necessarily recommend jacking up either, but if you slow down and still having problems I would jack up slightly, maybe two butt diameters. Once you start geting draw again, start 'unjacking.'
 
HEY :)
thank you ALL i'm really appreciate ur trying to help me .............

I took another look at the video clip using a video player software with slow-mo picture. you hit the CB just slight below center. that's what you did wrong. I do want to take a snapshot of that sequence inorder to show you in detail, but I need to go now. I'll try to post this tommorow night.
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thanks man i'm waiting the clip :) and please if u can give me the software ? i'm looking for a software like this ...

you are correct but just to clear it up, the pictures are screen shots from TOTTI's video. This is not me in the pictures.
If you download and watch the video that TOTTI posted then you'll see that the "cowboy lasso" is just part of the problem with TOTTI's attempt to draw the CB.
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what is ( cowboy lasso ) ?


skor i'll try to do it again and i'll post another video ....

CU
 
Dave...You're correct. The CB won't 'jump' (without elevating the cuestick), unless you hit the cloth first.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Dave Nelson said:
I hit my draw shots very low and not to hard. I don't think the cue ball will jump unless you hit the cloth first. Am I right or wrong?

Dave Nelson
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Sorry about that! :eek: I didn't watch the video! Silly me!:rolleyes: Nice detail, btw! That's just what we do in pool school...except with video, instead of still shots. Nothing brings home a stroke error better than seeing yourself on tv (especially in slow-motion/stop-action)...as long as you have someone qualified, who can point out what you're doing wrong...and then teach you how to correct it! :)

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

skor said:
Hey Scott,

you are correct but just to clear it up, the pictures are screen shots from TOTTI's video. This is not me in the pictures. ;)
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TOTTI...Cowboy lasso means you are pulling the cuestick backwards, on a draw shot, after you strike the CB. The tip should remain still, at the end of your finish/followthrough. Then the cue is picked up with the bridge hand, to get the tip out of the way of the CB, coming back at you. Our instructional video series "Play Better Pool", addresses this issue, and many others!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

TOTTI said:
what is ( cowboy lasso ) ?
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Totti,
I've had a similar problem that I'm on the way to fixing. Let me share what's worked for me. 1) practice with a striped ball as the CB, placed with the stripe horizontal. I found I was not hitting the CB near as low as I thought. 2) stroke key-I repeat to myself "tip to table" for every draw shot. If my tip doesn't skid along the cloth at least 4-6" ahead of the original CB position, my stroke was wrong. Worked for me.

disclaimer: If Scott disagrees with any of this, forget I ever wrote it.

Bill
 
Bill...No particular disagreement...although your tip should finish at the same place every time, on every stroke...not just draw. Also, it might not be 4-6" for TOTTI. The finish on the cloth is based on how your arm works with your body, and how long a bridge you have. ;) The info on using the stripe is topnotch!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

billyjack said:
disclaimer: If Scott disagrees with any of this, forget I ever wrote it.

Bill
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:shakehead:

I tryed to do it many many many times but it doesn't work :(

The Question is :
( Is it possible to be the problem in THE CLOTH or not ? )
 
TOTTI...It is not, I repeat NOT the cloth. You've been told what the problem is, and what to do to fix your problem. If you cannot do it, then you need to seek out a qualified instructor (one who uses video).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott
i tryed to de every thing but i couldn't do it ?
so i think the problem is in the cloth ??

SEE this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX6l9-gv3k0

I did exactly like what he did with his hand BUT the cue ball roll then stop it didn't back ???
i think that means the problem is in the cloth ........
 
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