Problems 9Ft Table - Profi Pride

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genesis

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Hello,

I need help on a major problem with my Pooltable.

A few Month ago, I bought a HELTA Profi Pride 9Ft. Pooltable, meeting the EPBF Standards. The Pockets are so extremely bad, there is no fun to play. The Angels of the Pockets are equal, it did not looklike, but it is. Please give my some advice / Argument. Is this normal? What is the error? Any Suggestions? The Manufactorer and the Dealer leave me alone. Starting to sneer…

1.Statement:´ "according to the new rules of EPBF the pockets of professional tables should be smaller and even more narrow and only absolutely accurate balls will sink into the pocket.
We can hardly see something wrong on the pictures, the slide-calliper is shiny due to flashlight."

2. Statement: we are very sorry that you are not happy with the table, but the pockets meet all standard specifications"

3. Statement: we have discussed your problem in the company, but we can not find a way how to help you. We have checked all cushions we have in stock and they meet all specifications given by EPBF. Every cushion has to be the same as previous one and every cushion has to meet EPBF standards.
I apologize again that we can not help you, but European Championship and Eurotour were both played on these tables and EPBF members have not found anything wrong with the pockets, so we think they are OK.

Best regards

So i need help from you as professionals. ;-)

<<Table Pic 1>>
<<Table Pic 2>>
<<Table Pic 3>>
<<Different Shots 16MB DIVX>>
<<Slow Balls 4MB DIVX>>

Kind regards.

Genesis

PS: Sorry for my bad English.




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Most of the shots in your videos should NOT go in. The last two shot on the slow vid were "maybes" in my opinion. All the shots hit firmly in the other video that hit the rail 2 diamonds from the pocket should never go in on a table with reasonably sized pockets.

You should have the rails extended so that the pocket facings are parallel. That would eliminate most of the "spitting". My table isn't set up yet, so I can't give you a picture of what they should look like. I sure someone can though.

edit: Und viele gluck mit deiner tisch!
 
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Thank You - yes, most of the Shots are not able to pot. ;-)

Well there are some shots, that shown the Problem. Thats why i post this.
 
Rolling balls that jump up and out of the pocket and onto the floor is an unacceptable situation. That problem alone should be enough to get the installer to fix your pockets.
 
Have you measured from the tip of the cushion to the other tip of the cushion? I started a thread on this exact/similar situation. I thought that maybe the problem was because the pockets are wider than normal and by that I mean to the outer limits of the standards...mine being 5.25" wide. By being so wide, the angle throws the ball outward. The "shelf" (pocket facing) is wider. This was just my opinion. The pocket width is determined by the construction of the rail and will be costly to fix this, if done right. I still have the problem, but have learned to live with it. I cannot slam railshots unless they are DEAD on...not much room for error. One way you could fix this would be to shave the slate on the inside of the pocket, but I am not recommending that. If you look at a bar table, the cushions don't stick out as far, so there is more room for error because the actual drop of point of the pocket is closer to the rails.....does that make sense? I can honestly say though, I have NEVER seen balls leave the table like I witnessed in your video. Keep us/me posted on your decison of what you are going to do with this problem.

Matt
 
That's pretty strange. It may just be from the camera angles of your pictures but you should measure from back center of the pocket to the slate shelf on all your corners and see if they are the same. It looks like the pocket openings aren't centered perfectly over the pocket. If this is the case, a couple of the pockets would have a deeper shelf in areas and could cause problems. just a thought.:D
 
I'm not an expert but for what it's worth... I have a 9' Brunswick with 4.5 inch triple shimmed pockets. What I'm seeing on your video is not so different than what happens on my table (except for the ball jumping off the table, I don't know what that's all about) I've learned on my table not to hit them so hard and to try make them clean without touching the rails or facings. That's the only way they will go in, either hit softly or make them clean. It's frustrating but I just figure I need to raise my skill level to meet the table.
 
Just watched your "Slow Balls" video. This seems completely normal considering how far off center you are aiming. Those balls would NEVER go in on my table either. Good Luck.
 
Rolling balls

That video shows you hitting the pocket too far from the aim point, and the ball should not drop in unless you want a real easy pocket. I would not want to practice on an easy table. What I saw in that video is no harder than my table, and I intend to make it tighter the next time I recover. If a ball jumps off the table or rebounds out of a pocket I would suggest to look at the facings. Are they perpendicular to the table bed? If they are on an angle facing up , even slightly, the pocket will tend to spit out a firmly hit ball every time, and make some airborn even! I have seen that problem on tables before. It requires the facings to be replaced, and sometimes a cushion replacement if it was cut wrong. I hope that helps some?
You may want to post some pics taken of the corner pockets with two balls placed deep into the corner pockets so we can judge the openings. Also some shots with a square standing up on edge, next to a facing, so as to see the angle the facings are at compared to the surface of the table.
 
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Tim5000 said:
Just watched your "Slow Balls" video. This seems completely normal considering how far off center you are aiming. Those balls would NEVER go in on my table either. Good Luck.
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I wasn't able to view your videos. But looking at the angles they look okay. The angles should be at 142 degrees for american standards anyway.
 
sdbilliards said:
I wasn't able to view your videos. But looking at the angles they look okay. The angles should be at 142 degrees for american standards anyway.
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Make a rightclick on the link, save under or save as (didnt know in english).
Then you can use your favorite Mediaplayer.

Well, 2 Balls falling directly in the Pockets. I measured my Table,checked most common sizes. Everything is in the specs.

<<German Norms PDF>>

I also think that the Pockets are not parallel enaugh.

I made 2 new Pics with balls.

<<inside pocket>>
<<outside pocket>>

And thanks for all that help. ;-)

regards
 
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I almost bought the exact same table from last EC. but the price was to high for a not so known table maker. even if on paper they meet all the EPBF standards, that doesnt mean the table plays well...

i cant see the video's because i dont have the codecs installed, but on the pictures, your pockets seem ok (i even find them personally big. 2+ balls), the angles of the cussions seem ok.

If u hit a ball and it hits the rail at more then 1 diamond from the pocket, it shouldnt go in. The balls jumping, could be (can't really see it well) because of your pockets being 90° straight down... i know my diamond pockets have a edge on the top that pushes them downwards when they hit the pocket, and then the pockets diameter goes a bit bigger the lower you go. Yours seem to have no inside edge and go STRAIGHT down...

im i GLAD i didnt take a profi pride , but bought a diamond 9ft pro for 500 less then what profi pride was asking.

still i hope u can find a solution. I would never wish anyone to have a bad table, but i cant really see a big problem, exept maybe the shape of the plastic (?) black pockets.
 
codec isnt the problem :p

but im at work, i cant install stuff on my computer...

Anyway, maybe this picture can be usefull for others...
 

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Man, so strange, manufacturer says. "Sorry - everything is in the specs".

Dealer the same.
 
From the last image it looks like the pocket opening is a shade over 4.5" which is tight - par for the description of the table. Watching the video the balls are hitting to the outer edge of the cushion facing so it seems normal that the ball does not go in given the tight pocket. I would suggest if you want to pot balls you need to aim center pocket - not at the outside edge.
If the dealer and manufacturer state the table has the proper specs then maybe you need a different table that's not as tight.
 
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Dartman said:
From the last image it looks like the pocket opening is a shade over 4?"
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No way those could be a shade over 4". Balls are 2.25" each, so there's 4.5" and then add the gap between them and bet your looking at least 4.75" or more.
 
I have never seen balls jump up or off the table from that shot before.
Very strange...



Brian
 
mattman said:
No way those could be a shade over 4". Balls are 2.25" each, so there's 4.5" and then add the gap between them and bet your looking at least 4.75" or more.
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The "4?" was supposed to be 4 1/2". I reckon alt+171 doesn't work on forum posts. It should have read "a shade over 4 1/2"
Maybe your eyes are better then mine but I don't see anything over 4 3/4" if even that much.
The fact remains the pockets are tight and OP is not hitting/aiming at center pocket.
 
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