Production Cues used by Pro Players

I thought it was a Joss butt. The one where the forearm points read "Shane"?
It was definitely a Joss butt and I believe it is the cue he was using at the time he was breaking into the pro level scene and getting more widely known and is the one I was thinking of. He didn't play with it for too much longer after that but as I recall he had already been playing with it for years at that point. I want to say he had one of his mom's Schon shafts on it for a while as well, maybe the whole time.
 
Are there any Pro players that use Viking, McDermott or Joss cues? Just curious.

Not sure Joss belongs in the same category as Viking and McDermott. Viking and McDermott are total production cue companies. Joss, however, is not - at least to a large extent.

r/DCP
 
Not sure Joss belongs in the same category as Viking and McDermott. Viking and McDermott are total production cue companies. Joss, however, is not - at least to a large extent.

r/DCP
What definition are you using for "production cue company" that would put Viking and McDermott as production but not Joss?
 
I thought it was a Joss butt. The one where the forearm points read "Shane"?
That’s correct

The shaft was his grandpa’s shaft. I hit a few balls with it when it was on the other butt. He loved that shaft.
 
Dan Janes told me he or his staff make all their cues.
So part of your definition is that if you do not contract with another company to make any of the cues that carry your brand name then you are not a production company? Am I understanding that correctly?

What do you think about the cue makers using blanks made by others, does that put them in the production category in your book? Where exactly is it that you draw the line? Is it that as long as you are the final assembler of the outsourced parts then it doesn't bump you into the production category?
 
Shane shot with a Schon butt and his mom's old Joss shaft when he first entered the pro scene. Then Cuetec scooped him up and the rest is history.
And as far as pros using "mass produced" cues, as others have stated, most play with cherry-picked sponsor cues. Some even use slightly custom modified versions-- like a thicker butt, for example.
 
Well it doesn’t matter what Cue the big name Professional uses, they will still play better the 99.9999% of Forum Members.

Thinking even if stuck with a house cue.🤫🤫🤫😄
 
Good Lord! If I hear that one more time I'm going to puke! Lol

I assure you, the pros that use these cues go to the factory and hand pick one or two themselves. They go through probably many dozens until they get the ones they like. They are not just using one that somebody sends them. They are cherry picking. They are carefully picking their arrows.

Source for this? Like an actual bonafide source and not just assumptions.

As most cues now are fairly generic. IE, a predator and Panthera #31/100 + revo isn’t going to feel much different than a Panthera CRM 27/30 + revo.

Plenty sponsored players I know purposely just have them send them a cue. So they can honestly tell potential customers they are playing with a cue that customer can order today.

Going back to generic, modern machining and production is far better than ever. So the difference between 20 different cues of the same model is going to be pretty close. Carbon fiber shafts aren’t going to feel different. And neither are modern laminated shafts.

Hell, even over 20 years ago when they did blind tests, top players couldn’t tell the difference between brands and joints.

It’s one thing to prefer weights and balance points and such. But it’s another to believe someone is sifting through 200 sang lee predators looking for a difference.

Hell, Karl Boyes just posted a video saying he picked his sang Lee predator because it looks cool.

As a sponsor company, say predator, you don’t want your sponsored players (who are literally part of the marketing team whether they directly participate or not) having something different than a regular customer can buy. It’s just not good business.

I am sponsored in shooting sports. I also produce ammo and sponsor other shooters. They don’t get anything someone else wouldn’t get who picked up the phone and called. It defeats the purpose of sponsorship.
 
Source for this? Like an actual bonafide source and not just assumptions.

As most cues now are fairly generic. IE, a predator and Panthera #31/100 + revo isn’t going to feel much different than a Panthera CRM 27/30 + revo.

Plenty sponsored players I know purposely just have them send them a cue. So they can honestly tell potential customers they are playing with a cue that customer can order today.

Going back to generic, modern machining and production is far better than ever. So the difference between 20 different cues of the same model is going to be pretty close. Carbon fiber shafts aren’t going to feel different. And neither are modern laminated shafts.

Hell, even over 20 years ago when they did blind tests, top players couldn’t tell the difference between brands and joints.

It’s one thing to prefer weights and balance points and such. But it’s another to believe someone is sifting through 200 sang lee predators looking for a difference.

Hell, Karl Boyes just posted a video saying he picked his sang Lee predator because it looks cool.

As a sponsor company, say predator, you don’t want your sponsored players (who are literally part of the marketing team whether they directly participate or not) having something different than a regular customer can buy. It’s just not good business.

I am sponsored in shooting sports. I also produce ammo and sponsor other shooters. They don’t get anything someone else wouldn’t get who picked up the phone and called. It defeats the purpose of sponsorship.
I believe it was Billiard Digest I read that in. It has been many years ago.
 
Good Lord! If I hear that one more time I'm going to puke! Lol

I assure you, the pros that use these cues go to the factory and hand pick one or two themselves. They go through probably many dozens until they get the ones they like. They are not just using one that somebody sends them. They are cherry picking. They are carefully picking their arrows.
Only players i know of to maybe do that are Meucci guys. I kinda doubt Predator/Peri players are flying to China to get a cue. As for 'many dozens' i kinda doubt that. These guys have a real close idea of what they like. When J.Morra was using Meucci's they just sent him cues. They knew his weight/size likes. Not rocket science. Most pros aren't super picky. Efren played with whatever he got his hands on or was given. Bustamante uses a dead-stock Buffalo cue with his old Schon shafts. Sorry but it is the indian.
 
What was that thing on U-Tube with Samm lady, she explored what Pro use, and weir stuff like Tabacco Sauce they carry in Cue Case.
 
Source for this? Like an actual bonafide source and not just assumptions.

As most cues now are fairly generic. IE, a predator and Panthera #31/100 + revo isn’t going to feel much different than a Panthera CRM 27/30 + revo.

Plenty sponsored players I know purposely just have them send them a cue. So they can honestly tell potential customers they are playing with a cue that customer can order today.

Going back to generic, modern machining and production is far better than ever. So the difference between 20 different cues of the same model is going to be pretty close. Carbon fiber shafts aren’t going to feel different. And neither are modern laminated shafts.

Hell, even over 20 years ago when they did blind tests, top players couldn’t tell the difference between brands and joints.

It’s one thing to prefer weights and balance points and such. But it’s another to believe someone is sifting through 200 sang lee predators looking for a difference.

Hell, Karl Boyes just posted a video saying he picked his sang Lee predator because it looks cool.

As a sponsor company, say predator, you don’t want your sponsored players (who are literally part of the marketing team whether they directly participate or not) having something different than a regular customer can buy. It’s just not good business.

I am sponsored in shooting sports. I also produce ammo and sponsor other shooters. They don’t get anything someone else wouldn’t get who picked up the phone and called. It defeats the purpose of sponsorship.


I had just read this economics article before reading your post. I think it has relevance here:



...Brand-name quality assurance is especially important when consumers lack complete information about product quality at the time of purchase. Companies may take advantage of this lack of information by shaving product quality, thereby lowering costs and increasing short-term profits. A company that takes such actions, however, will experience a decrease in its future demand, and therefore in its long-term profits.

The greater the value of a company’s brand name—that is, the greater the present value of the extra profit a company earns on its sales—the more likely it is that this long-term negative effect on profits will outweigh any short-term positive effect and deter a policy of intentional quality deterioration. Moreover, the greater the value of a company’s brand name, the more likely the company is to take quality-control precautions. To protect its brand name, a company will want to make sure its consumers are satisfied....


Jeff Livingston
 
Only players i know of to maybe do that are Meucci guys. I kinda doubt Predator/Peri players are flying to China to get a cue. As for 'many dozens' i kinda doubt that. These guys have a real close idea of what they like. When J.Morra was using Meucci's they just sent him cues. They knew his weight/size likes. Not rocket science. Most pros aren't super picky. Efren played with whatever he got his hands on or was given. Bustamante uses a dead-stock Buffalo cue with his old Schon shafts. Sorry but it is the indian.
I'm not necessarily talking about the cue butt. Mostly the shaft. Many many Pros are very particular about the shaft that they use. Why didn't Bustamante just use whatever shaft they gave him instead of his old Schon shafts?

I will admit that carbon fiber and sectional shafts are far more consistent then a natrual wood shaft.
 
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