production or not

i have a DP i had Dale make to my specs about 10 years ago, around 1,500 which i thought was a deal, i was told on here recently i'd be lucky to get 400 out of it today because of his 1/1 cues he has on ebay, don't get me wrong this cue hits like a mack truck but that doesn't mean anything to most people, i also have 2 DP's i just aquired from a widow her husband got these for around 400 a piece from ebay with papers and all and they by no means are near the quality as my old one, guess he sold his soul to the ebay gods.
 
I have a production Southwest

...and I love it. It defninately wasn't custom in that I didn't order it specifically to my spec's and didn't have any of the traditional Southwest design spec's changed. I liken it to a Ferrari, they are "production" cars you know.

Alex
 
How about these 4 classifications?
A. Production
B. upper end production
C. catalogue custom
D. personalized custom
 
How about these 4 classifications?
A. Production
B. upper end production
C. catalogue custom
D. personalized custom
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How about:

A. Artisan
1. Customer commissioned
2. Speculative (unique)
3. Speculative (non-unique)​

B. Mass Produced
1. Standard production w/ or w/o customer specified variations (weight, tip, etc.)​

Good Rolls,
Rasta
 
AuntyDan said:
The correct word IMHO is "Artisan". In my definition an "Artisan" cue would be defined by the following properties:
1) Be made by an individual or a very small group of people under direct supervision of an identifiable individual.
2) Be made of high quality materials.
3) Be made using high quality construction and assembly methods. (Whether these are manual, semi manual or automated is not relevant, only the quality/skill of how the methods are used.)
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Well, AuntyDan, because of you, I used the term 'artisan' in my latest article. When they put me in the writer's Hall of Fame for changing the way people describe artisan cues, I'll be sure to thank you in my acceptance speech.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
Well, AuntyDan, because of you, I used the term 'artisan' in my latest article. When they put me in the writer's Hall of Fame for changing the way people describe artisan cues, I'll be sure to thank you in my acceptance speech.

Fred
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I thought artesian was a well?!?!????
 
I am still not sold on the price of some of these customs.... I know I show up on alot of these types of threads with what might seem like a not so endearing view of customs.. but dont get it twisted..I would love to own a custom piece.. but the real world makes its hard for a regular guy like myself to own a $2000 stick... I dont think its money well spent for most players..."regular guys" are better off buying a production ( i.e, Falcon,Mcdermont,Schon) and spending the rest on lessons.IMO high dollar cues does not a good investment make...if you suck with a Lucasi then you will suck with a Scruggs....

That being said .. if there are any Cuemakers out there who wish to prove me wrong I will gladly pm my APO for you to send me a sample..... :D
 
ratcues said:
It has to do with whos hands are doing the work. Kikel does all of his work, by hand, without CNC. If that is "production" I'm a billy goat. If it is the cuemaker and cuemaker alone building the cue, then it is a custom.

Some cuemakers, such as myself, build a "line" of cues which are meant to give an idea of what we are capable of. The customer can then come up with their own design based either on that design or of their own. Then it is custom made to those specs.

Production is a crew of people making cues and then marking them with a brand name. ie; Meucci, Viking, McDermott.
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I agree. The more people involved in the production, the more it becomes an "assembly line". The problem with assembly line production is that it is MUCH harder to control quality.

Vinnie
 
smokeandapancak said:
I am still not sold on the price of some of these customs.... I know I show up on alot of these types of threads with what might seem like a not so endearing view of customs.. but dont get it twisted..I would love to own a custom piece.. but the real world makes its hard for a regular guy like myself to own a $2000 stick... I dont think its money well spent for most players..."regular guys" are better off buying a production ( i.e, Falcon,Mcdermont,Schon) and spending the rest on lessons.IMO high dollar cues does not a good investment make...if you suck with a Lucasi then you will suck with a Scruggs....

That being said .. if there are any Cuemakers out there who wish to prove me wrong I will gladly pm my APO for you to send me a sample..... :D
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Do what I did... find your LOCAL cue maker. Just ask around and people will tell you if there is a local maker. I have a guy in Moses Lake, Mel Turner, that produced an excellent cue for me and it was under $400. He does great quality work and the price is low because he is not "famous". I think that there are probably many local cue makers like Mel out there.

Vinnie
 
smokeandapancak said:
I am still not sold on the price of some of these customs.... I know I show up on alot of these types of threads with what might seem like a not so endearing view of customs.. but dont get it twisted..I would love to own a custom piece.. but the real world makes its hard for a regular guy like myself to own a $2000 stick... I dont think its money well spent for most players..."regular guys" are better off buying a production ( i.e, Falcon,Mcdermont,Schon) and spending the rest on lessons.IMO high dollar cues does not a good investment make...if you suck with a Lucasi then you will suck with a Scruggs....

That being said .. if there are any Cuemakers out there who wish to prove me wrong I will gladly pm my APO for you to send me a sample..... :D
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I agree with you and think that, in large part, it is a different breed that are into the high-end cues. I know that I am attracted to it because of the beauty and art of them more so than just the utilitarian aspect of them. I also get to use my creative side when coming up with a design to have built by a cuemaker. Different strokes for different folks I suppose but most people into high-end cues are after more than just playability I would think.
 
smokeandapancak said:
I am still not sold on the price of some of these customs.... I know I show up on alot of these types of threads with what might seem like a not so endearing view of customs.. but dont get it twisted..I would love to own a custom piece.. but the real world makes its hard for a regular guy like myself to own a $2000 stick... I dont think its money well spent for most players..."regular guys" are better off buying a production ( i.e, Falcon,Mcdermont,Schon) and spending the rest on lessons.IMO high dollar cues does not a good investment make...if you suck with a Lucasi then you will suck with a Scruggs....

That being said .. if there are any Cuemakers out there who wish to prove me wrong I will gladly pm my APO for you to send me a sample..... :D
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I'll say this. I suck A LOT LESS with my Scruggs
than with my Lucasi.
 
More than retail

Hello Roadie:
Tim Scruggs has been around for quite a few years and is a great cuemaker and anyone that is into pool cues knows of him from the east coast to the west coast & world wide.

As far as South West Cues being the only cuemaker that consistantly sells for more than retail you need to add a few more to the list:

Barry Szamboti
Dennis Searing
Joel Hercek
Tad
Black Boar
John Showman
Quite a few Gina's
Bob Manzino

All of the above listed cuemakers sell new and used at higher than original retail. In my opinion they are all worth the money.
 
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Vinnie said:
Do what I did... find your LOCAL cue maker. Just ask around and people will tell you if there is a local maker. I have a guy in Moses Lake, Mel Turner, that produced an excellent cue for me and it was under $400. He does great quality work and the price is low because he is not "famous". I think that there are probably many local cue makers like Mel out there.

Vinnie
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Not a bad idea.....however I am stuck out in the middle of Franconia on a small (and closing) Army post.. not alot of local cue makers here. Hell I have to buy regular stuff from people on AZ b/c its too hard to even find everyday gear where I am at.
 
HIRUN526 said:
Hello Roadie:
Tim Scruggs has been around for quite a few years and is a great cuemaker and anyone that is into pool cues knows of him from the east coast to the west coast & world wide.

As far as South West Cues being the only cuemaker that consistantly sells for more than retail you need to add a few more to the list:

Barry Szamboti
Dennis Searing
Joel Hercek
Tad
Black Boar
John Showman
Quite a few Gina's
Bob Manzino

All of the above listed cuemakers sell new and used at higher than original retail. In my opinion they are all worth the money.
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I would add David Kersenbrock, Bill Schick, and ,perhaps, Perry
Weston,to your list.
 
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