Protecting new shaft

ridingthenine21

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I just got a new shaft and would like to treat it with something to keep the blue chalk out. I had thought about trying tung oil, since I know guitar builders sometimes use it to finish the neck of the guitar. Anyone use this or have any experience? I would have to apply it by hand since I don't have a lathe yet. What do you guys recommend as I want to keep it looking new and mapley (is that a word???)
 
Since an oil finish is so sticky to begin with, over time it would become a nightmare to keep it slick and clean. The oil would serve as a "dirt magnet" and cause dirt/chalk to adhere to the shaft. Your best bet would be to seal the shaft with some sanding sealer, followed by a light sanding to remove most of the sealer. Some cuemakers will put on a coat of wax, but you have to be careful which waxes you use and how it's applied/buffed off as waxes also could end up being a "dirt magnet". I've tried using Butcher's White Bowling Alley Paste Wax, which does a pretty good job. I read somewhere one time that this is the wax 'ol Gus used to use in his shop, so I located a can and gave it a try.
 
Slipstic I'm told does a good job keeping chalk from sticking to the shaft. I haven't tried it yet but think I'm going to.
 
ridingthenine21 said:
I just got a new shaft and would like to treat it with something to keep the blue chalk out. I had thought about trying tung oil, since I know guitar builders sometimes use it to finish the neck of the guitar. Anyone use this or have any experience? I would have to apply it by hand since I don't have a lathe yet. What do you guys recommend as I want to keep it looking new and mapley (is that a word???)

A pool cue is just a tool & like other tools they get dirty, when you use them. Seriously, if you want a trophy, then put the shaft in a glass case & never use it. BUT if you want it to do it's job, LEAVE IT ALONE. The shaft has to slide through your fingers smoothly. If you cover the wood with some kind of coating, you will have a piece of wood that looks good, but is sticky, scratchy & all of the other things that make playing with it just plain miserable. IT'S GOING TO GET DIRTY, GET OVER IT. The one thing that you can do is wipe it down with a DAMP paper towel every time you play( then buff it dry with a dry towel), wash your hands when they get dirty or sticky. Oh & don't forget the worst thing you can do to a shaft, POWDER. Powder clogs the pores of the wood & is a magnet for chalk, dirt & moisture...JER
 
Best you can hope for is that the cue maker sealed it up good. After that, just wipe it off after use each time. Chalk is going to contact the wood during play, and the wood has pores that will hold some of the chalk over time. Nothing you can do about that.

Another thing people don't reailze is that much dirt comes from your hands via the oil and sweat off of your skin. I suppose you could put your hands through a pre-surgical prep style scrub before playing and every 30 minutes during play, if you're that concerned about the appearance of the shaft.

I would advise you forget about keeping it so clean and just focus on keeping it nick and dent free. I have played for 12 years and am convinced that a nice smooth shaft with years of play, dirt, sweat, oil from your skin, chalk, and all that other garbage in it beats the hit of a new shaft any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I bet others will agree.
 
With my last cue I just shot with it and let it get dirty. But my guitar has a maple neck just like a pool cue, unfinished, and the company that built it told me to rub #0000 steel wool on it, apply a little tung oil and buff it out twice a year. Guitar necks will warp if unfinished, especially if it's in moist humid environments. Playing fast solos requires me to move my hand much faster than a pool cue requires, and it is smooth for me, even in humid, sweaty places like hot garages. I just didn't see how there would be much of a difference, especially since a guy in the other forum said that is what he does.
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
A pool cue is just a tool & like other tools they get dirty, when you use them. Seriously, if you want a trophy, then put the shaft in a glass case & never use it. BUT if you want it to do it's job, LEAVE IT ALONE. The shaft has to slide through your fingers smoothly. If you cover the wood with some kind of coating, you will have a piece of wood that looks good, but is sticky, scratchy & all of the other things that make playing with it just plain miserable. IT'S GOING TO GET DIRTY, GET OVER IT. The one thing that you can do is wipe it down with a DAMP paper towel every time you play( then buff it dry with a dry towel), wash your hands when they get dirty or sticky. Oh & don't forget the worst thing you can do to a shaft, POWDER. Powder clogs the pores of the wood & is a magnet for chalk, dirt & moisture...JER

+1 to all the above. Plus, I've found a product that is excellent for cleaning shafts. It is a water based hardwood floor cleaner called "Bona". Just spritz a clean white cotton cloth a couple of times and wipe down the shaft vigorously. It really does a good job, doesn't raise the grain and is very inexpensive. You can get it at the grocery store or a hardwood floor supplier.
 
ridingthenine21 said:
With my last cue I just shot with it and let it get dirty. But my guitar has a maple neck just like a pool cue, unfinished, and the company that built it told me to rub #0000 steel wool on it, apply a little tung oil and buff it out twice a year. Guitar necks will warp if unfinished, especially if it's in moist humid environments. Playing fast solos requires me to move my hand much faster than a pool cue requires, and it is smooth for me, even in humid, sweaty places like hot garages. I just didn't see how there would be much of a difference, especially since a guy in the other forum said that is what he does.

When you play pool, everything you touch has blue chalk on it. The cloth, the wooden rails(where you set the chalk), the balls, the rack & the inside of your case. Your hands are bound to be loaded with chalk & it transfers to your cue. I doubt that playing your guitar, would ever put you in contact with such filth. You can keep your cue pretty clean, by wiping it down before you put it away, including the tip. The cue I'm playing with now, is one that I made 6 years ago. I do everything that I mentioned above & it has only been cleaned once(when I changed ferrules). It looks better than most Qs I see, that are only months old...JER
 
You do have a point there. No chalk around guitars at all. Just lots of beer and groupies ;) Is there any way I can seal it, like with shellac and thinner, without a lathe? (No one does it around here and I don't have one yet). Or does that only work when it is turning on a lathe?
 
ridingthenine21 said:
You do have a point there. No chalk around guitars at all. Just lots of beer and groupies ;) Is there any way I can seal it, like with shellac and thinner, without a lathe? (No one does it around here and I don't have one yet). Or does that only work when it is turning on a lathe?

I use shellac thinned 4-1 with denatured alcohol. Put some on a soft paper towel & wipe it on. After it drys sand LIGHTLY with 1000 or 1200 grit sandpaper. Finish by rubbing(burnish), with a dry paper towel or leather. Then just KEEP IT CLEAN...JER
 
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If you dont like the LOOK of BLUE on your shaft... try tan colored chalk. It won't mean less chalk gets on your shaft, but it will look cleaner longer.
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
A pool cue is just a tool & like other tools they get dirty, when you use them. Seriously, if you want a trophy, then put the shaft in a glass case & never use it. BUT if you want it to do it's job, LEAVE IT ALONE. The shaft has to slide through your fingers smoothly. If you cover the wood with some kind of coating, you will have a piece of wood that looks good, but is sticky, scratchy & all of the other things that make playing with it just plain miserable. IT'S GOING TO GET DIRTY, GET OVER IT. JER
Well said!
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
ridingthenine21 said:
I just got a new shaft and would like to treat it with something to keep the blue chalk out. I had thought about trying tung oil, since I know guitar builders sometimes use it to finish the neck of the guitar. Anyone use this or have any experience? I would have to apply it by hand since I don't have a lathe yet. What do you guys recommend as I want to keep it looking new and mapley (is that a word???)

I don't like the look of new shafts, I look forward to when it takes on the nice played with look and patina. I am not so sure that the shaft as it ages doesn't actually play better. That new ultra clean look creeps me out, I like a cue to look like it plays pool.
 
Wash hands before playing. Wipe cue down with a soft cloth after playing making sure the tip is free of chalk before putting shaft into your case--and Slipstic works great!
 
How about wearing a glove if you don't hate them too much - stops most of the hand dirt at least . Use Q-glide regulary and a good leather burnisher to keep the pores as closed as possible!
I'm lucky here in Oz , most cues are ash snooker cues and people love the darker patina as the shaft ages and dirties .:)
 
PetreeCues said:
Best you can hope for is that the cue maker sealed it up good. After that, just wipe it off after use each time. Chalk is going to contact the wood during play, and the wood has pores that will hold some of the chalk over time. Nothing you can do about that.

Another thing people don't reailze is that much dirt comes from your hands via the oil and sweat off of your skin. I suppose you could put your hands through a pre-surgical prep style scrub before playing and every 30 minutes during play, if you're that concerned about the appearance of the shaft.

I would advise you forget about keeping it so clean and just focus on keeping it nick and dent free. I have played for 12 years and am convinced that a nice smooth shaft with years of play, dirt, sweat, oil from your skin, chalk, and all that other garbage in it beats the hit of a new shaft any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I bet others will agree.






I aggree a shaft should be sealed good in the first place, from there out It's personal preference I suppose. It can be cleaned up well, but for me It does'nt have to have a thick coating on It after that If It's a player shaft, but sealing that grain off is important to being able to clean it well later on. I have had luck in cleaning some really nasty shafts up like new because that grain was sealed off in the first place, and that can impresses the #*#* out of your customers :) .


On the natural oils from your skin conditioning the cue, as I like to think of It- I do aggree with the point of It having a different feel, but for Me not being able to tighten My bridge hand up as much outweighs that in My game. So therefore I sway more towards the opinion that a playing shaft will have some wear from cleanings over the years, and just like a tool May have to eventually be replaced if not taken care of/stored properly by the user, and/or maintained properly by the repair guy that cleans them. Yes you can loose alittle each time you clean, so the repair guy has to only take away what is nessesary, and no more, and I aggree that the user has to take proper care of the shaft to prevent dents, and such damage from occurring, as that makes the repair guy's job of taking less off alot easier. Even when you steam dents you have to break the sealer in them to get the best expansion from the pores of the wood, and if you spot in or fill them that has to be sanded flush, so your going to loose some amount of wood no matter what you do IMO, and just have to do your best to keep It at a minimum.

I have had some shafts come in that looked Like that had never been maintained, and they had a grease coat so thick, that by the time I cleaned It off, it seemed Like I lost some diameter, and I was afraid to even hit It with 400 or 600 afterwards, because of the drastic difference in diameter just getting that grease off alone. The worst is when You find a bunch of dents filled in with the grease underneath It, and have to try pull them also. I'm always afraid the customer will think I butchered the cue or something like that when I run into a bad one, because of the diameter lost from the grease LOL:D, but what can you do, your stuck with what you get to work with, and just have to do the best you can.


Most people I do work for seem to really like the feel of the slip-stic conditioner since I started using it, and it has brought alot of work My way through word of mouth.

Seems like many keep asking, so here' what I use- I do 2 types of finishes for the people that like sealers. One is the same as most use, and has already been discussed here, the other is a ca finish which is definatly not as smooth with the same amount of work put into It, but very clear, and If I put alot of time into It, I can get a nice feel out of It. I rarely do that one because It is very time consuming, and harder to get as smooth without that sticking that likes to take place with ca's. The best trick I could give someone on getting It smooth is that if It has waves in it, you will feel it when you stroke it through your bridge hand, and you need to sand lenth wise on the shaft to take those out, so It strokes smoother through the bridge. Also works best with some kind of cue wax, conditioner or polish on top, but the slip-stic I mentioned earlier does'nt gum up and hold dirt or chalk as bad for Me. I don't recomend anyone doing the CA on that part of the shaft, and it is not the easiest thing to do successfully, It's just something I have tried before to get the clarity someone was looking for.

A epoxy coat is not suitable for the playing surface IMO, too soft and sticky for that application.

Guess this got kind of long, so have to side with Sherm here and just say " Just More Hot Air", hope It's of use to someone, but definatly take It for what it's worth and no more then that, and rule #1 never experiement on a good shaft at first.

Greg
 
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