It's a stun, spin shot. You don't have to hit way outside to do it if you hit harder; the case in point.
PJ uses a 10mm tip so this close to the centerline may not have enough juice. IDK
Push Foul Explanation
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PJ uses a 10mm tip so this close to the centerline may not have enough juice. IDK
yea with that position depending on how hard you hit it likely the cue ball will stop or go a little straight forward and spin a little bit to the right on a dead center hit.
that clears everything up.
if pj would just use a normal sized tip he wouldn't have all these issues.
that small tip will make the cueball curve a lot even trying to hit dead center because of the curvature of the thin shafts tip .
and you then will be hitting dead center at an angle which cuts the object ball so you have to adjust for that especially with a wood shaft.
and the wippyness of that thin shaft creates additional deflection that cant easily be measured as you are cutting across the object ball without using englsih..
if not understood striaghtline can clear it up as he has the ability to explain things properly.
that clears everything up.
if pj would just use a normal sized tip he wouldn't have all these issues.
that small tip will make the cueball curve a lot even trying to hit dead center because of the curvature of the thin shafts tip .
and you then will be hitting dead center at an angle which cuts the object ball so you have to adjust for that especially with a wood shaft.
and the wippyness of that thin shaft creates additional deflection that cant easily be measured as you are cutting across the object ball without using englsih..
if not understood striaghtline can clear it up as he has the ability to explain things properly.
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If “juice” means spin, that depends on curvature, not size. Same offset with same curvature = same contact point, regardless of size.
If “juice” means power - that depends on total stick weight, not tip size.
pj
chgo
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If you used a smaller tip you might realize there’s no difference except less squirt and greater visibility.
pj
chgo
Let me know if you figure it out. Lost ball, high weeds.
I'm still lost. I thot op was talking about a double hit on the cueball. How'd we wind up here!??It would be like a force-follow shot, with a lot of side spin, except without the usual look of a force-follow. The cue ball hits the target ball with force, basically stuns but drifts forward, and due to the side spin applied, the cue ball 'grips' the cushion and takes off at a wider angle than the approach.
If you provide your reading level, I will try to dumb it down for you.... (j/k, that is meant to be a jab, but not truly a malicious one)
If I misread the op, my bad.
that post in total was to be in jest.
Assuming any reasonable tip curvature, if edge of tip touches the vertical line as depicted, the contact part of the tip is diameter dependent. I use 13s and sometimes a 12. Both provide ample "leverage" to get the ball spinning.
Yep, sorry for extending it, but the derail happened before I jumped in. I would also challenge you to find a thread that *doesn't* get derailed!
“Assuming any reasonable tip curvature”, the edge of your tip cannot touch the ball before passing the miscue limit - if it does your tip is too flat, prone to miscue and can’t produce maximum spin. Tips of any size need at least 60 degrees of arc to prevent that.
It’s the curvature, not the size (seems like I’ve heard that before).
pj
chgo
P.S. Your tip must be just about completely flat for its edge to contact the center of the cue ball as in your pic. Only good for center ball hits.
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Talking about the centerline. Edge of tip to that is still on the "flat", center part of the ball. Miscue not happening.
I am trying to picture the OP's original post. I understand a stun/spin shot, but how close is the cue ball to the object ball referenced in the first post?
The original post was about a "push", which might have been a double-hit foul, or something else. You're following the tangent, of which I am guilty of wading into, which is about the stun, spin shot.