Push out question.

tjlmbklr said:
Who knows when the push out rule was introduced in 9-ball?
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Tough question with a tough answer. The push-out rule has been with 9-ball since forever. A lot of players grew up with the 2-shot push out rule. A foul on the second shot would be full-table ball-in-hand (as opposed to ball in hand in the kitchen).

When 1-foul ball-in-hand (full table) was introduced in the late 70's or early 80's (IIRC), pushout was thrown by the wayside. Sometime in the mid to late 80's, push-out after the break was re-introduced when players realized the punishment the 1-foul ball-in-hand rule was giving to the breaker if he couldn't see the lowest ball after a good break.

The first televised tournament that I remember seeing the pushout after the break was the 1989 Brunswick World 9-ball Open (1st. Nick Varner, 2nd Grady Matthews). I don't remember anyone using a pushout after the break in the 1988 World 9-ball Open or the 1986 Atlantic City Last Call for 9-ball, the two most televised tournaments at the time.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
Tough question with a tough answer. The push-out rule has been with 9-ball since forever. A lot of players grew up with the 2-shot push out rule. A foul on the second shot would be full-table ball-in-hand (as opposed to ball in hand in the kitchen).

When 1-foul ball-in-hand (full table) was introduced in the late 70's or early 80's (IIRC), pushout was thrown by the wayside. Sometime in the mid to late 80's, push-out after the break was re-introduced when players realized the punishment the 1-foul ball-in-hand rule was giving to the breaker if he couldn't see the lowest ball after a good break.

The first televised tournament that I remember seeing the pushout after the break was the 1989 Brunswick World 9-ball Open (1st. Nick Varner, 2nd Grady Matthews). I don't remember anyone using a pushout after the break in the 1988 World 9-ball Open or the 1986 Atlantic City Last Call for 9-ball, the two most televised tournaments at the time.

Fred
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Can always count on you with a lil bit of history behind it.
 
Pushing out...

...kind of reminds me of the rule used by novices that use the butt of their cue as a measuring device to establish how far out to place the cue ball after it has come to rest on the rail. Just a thought.

Gene
 
ARM9BALLER said:
Can always count on you with a lil bit of history behind it.
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I hope Jay and Grady can add more detail, since my information only comes from watching, not playing.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
Tough question with a tough answer. The push-out rule has been with 9-ball since forever. A lot of players grew up with the 2-shot push out rule. A foul on the second shot would be full-table ball-in-hand (as opposed to ball in hand in the kitchen).

When 1-foul ball-in-hand (full table) was introduced in the late 70's or early 80's (IIRC), pushout was thrown by the wayside. Sometime in the mid to late 80's, push-out after the break was re-introduced when players realized the punishment the 1-foul ball-in-hand rule was giving to the breaker if he couldn't see the lowest ball after a good break.

The first televised tournament that I remember seeing the pushout after the break was the 1989 Brunswick World 9-ball Open (1st. Nick Varner, 2nd Grady Matthews). I don't remember anyone using a pushout after the break in the 1988 World 9-ball Open or the 1986 Atlantic City Last Call for 9-ball, the two most televised tournaments at the time.

Fred
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I heard at one point that they played roll out where you could play a push at any point in the game if you were snookered, and your opponent could either accept the shot or pass it back. Is that true?
 
Yes...The way we used to play 9-Ball, decades ago, in the 70's, you could 'push out' anytime in the game. The other player had the option to take the shot, or make you shoot again. A second foul would result in ball-in-hand, anywhere on the table.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Cameron Smith said:
I heard at one point that they played roll out where you could play a push at any point in the game if you were snookered, and your opponent could either accept the shot or pass it back. Is that true?
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Yes, that's the way it was. Push out at any time. The shot after the push, the opponent could pass it back. If the player who then shoots the shot fouls, then it was full-table ball-in-hand (the pre-cursor to our current 1-foul full-table ball-in-hand). Some of this will make no sense (the difference between 2-foul ball-in-hand and 1-foul ball-in-hand, for example) to those who are were only introduced to 9-ball after, say, The Color of Money.

Fred
 
Push anytim

The push anytime rule. I feel. was an advantage to the better player if there was a decided difference in skill level. What should be added is that, at that time, there was very little safety play. Most went for the shot. Not sure about the pro level, but that was how I remember it to be at the amateur levels.

Gene
 
crzygirl19 said:
Ok my boyfriend started playing pool in the early sixties and they already were using the push out rule than!
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Correct...but if you read the several above posts, we mentioned that it was 'push out' on every shot, not just the first shot after the break, like it is now.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
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