Putting new simonis cloth on table,couple questions

cjnis

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I recently purchased a 1973 brunswick monticello table. The cloth was faded bad so i figured id recloth it with 860hr.yes i am following the simonis videos. I also noticed in a couple areas the cushion makes more of a thud sound. I was thinking the cushions should be replaced. When taking the cloth off the cushions i noticed that they werent the original monarch superspeeds the table says it was made with but had the newer superspeed cushions and they look like they are in great condition however in a few areas where i heard the thud sound is because the glue is popped in those areas. Not horribly but in like a 1-2 inch length along the bottom seam where i can lift the rubber.

1.Now my question is can i just reglue these areas or should i remove the whole rubber and reglue if possible? Most of the rubber is glued solid and not a prob. I do have some penquin cushion glue on hand. I also noticed on the head and foot rails when taking apart that the center rail bolt was not installed,reason for this?

2On this table i seem to get a lot of balls rattling in the corner pockets.Much more then the GC4 tables i play on at the pool hall. Is there anything i can do to help that while i have it apart like with the angles or changing the cushion facings?

3When i had the table installed (by "pro" installers) they only put less then half the amount of slate screws. most holes are empty.They told me at the time it was standard practice to only put screws at the end of the slate and the other holes werent needed. Have any of you heard of anyone doing this before? I believe they used 4 screws per slate piece.They didnt seem to me to really be pros .reputable company but they apparently send the rookies instead of the experienced guys. Wasnt sure if they were just bad or me being the perfectionist machinist that i am.

Just trying to get this table playing as good as possible not that its playing horribly though.
 
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I recently purchased a 1973 brunswick monticello table. The cloth was faded bad so i figured id recloth it with 860hr.yes i am following the simonis videos. I also noticed in a couple areas the cushion makes more of a thud sound. I was thinking the cushions should be replaced. When taking the cloth off the cushions i noticed that they werent the original monarch superspeeds the table says it was made with but had the newer superspeed cushions and they look like they are in great condition however in a few areas where i heard the thud sound is because the glue is popped in those areas. Not horribly but in like a 1-2 inch length along the bottom seam where i can lift the rubber.

1.Now my question is can i just reglue these areas or should i remove the whole rubber and reglue if possible? Most of the rubber is glued solid and not a prob. I do have some penquin cushion glue on hand. I also noticed on the head and foot rails when taking apart that the center rail bolt was not installed,reason for this?

2On this table i seem to get a lot of balls rattling in the corner pockets.Much more then the GC4 tables i play on at the pool hall. Is there anything i can do to help that while i have it apart like with the angles or changing the cushion facings?

3When i had the table installed (by "pro" installers) they only put less then half the amount of slate screws. most holes are empty.They told me at the time it was standard practice to only put screws at the end of the slate and the other holes werent needed. Have any of you heard of anyone doing this before? I believe they used 4 screws per slate piece.They didnt seem to me to really be pros .reputable company but they apparently send the rookies instead of the experienced guys. Wasnt sure if they were just bad or me being the perfectionist machinist that i am.

Just trying to get this table playing as good as possible not that its playing horribly though.

1, yes re-glue' the cushion's.

2, you're not going to change the miter angles in the corner pockets without special tooling. Maybe the center bolts don't thread in, or they left them out not wanting to fight the ball tray.
3, they didn't use all the slate screws around the outside of the slates, because they don't know how to level the slates.
 
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I will suggest the pocket facings at the end of the rail be replaced with the facings diamond billiards uses.
A world of improvement and I'll assume the old facing was reused when the cushions was replaced?
If you would like to buy a set I do have a few sets on hand, they are $14.00+ shipping.
Facings require to be trimmed by installer to fit the end of the cushion profile after the contact cement fully cures.




Rob.M
 
Thanks for the replies. i will reglue the areas that arnt glued. Looking at the cushions more they may actually be the original cushions. It has a different superspeed logo then the ones i see for sale now. i thought it would say monarch superspeed on them but maybe its not THAT old. They seem to be in good condition though.Can anyone confirm that they are original by the pics below.

I have some 60dur black neoprene facings that are new on hand. i am going to replace the ones on the cushions. They dont look like they were cut the best and are much harder then the new ones. They were glued and nailed on.

Looking at other installed cushions it looks like it sits flush on the top and bottom of the angle seat of the rail. On my cushions shown in the below pic it is flush with the top of the rail but well short of reaching the bottom of the rail angle . Is this normal?

Areas of no glue. Also notice the bottom of the rubber doesnt go to the bottom of the angle seat.






flush at top of rail


original cushion logo or not?
 
Rail adjustments and fixing warped side rails

Got the new facings on ,reglued rubbers and reclothed the table .Looking great so far. I gotta put it back together tomorrow.

Whats the best way of adjusting the rails square to eachother and square aligned with the slate? i did noticed that the side rails are warped a little.On the monticello the side rail is one piece instead of 2 pieces like on the gold crowns .It looks to be warped where it meets the center pockets. Im getting 50" at the ends but around 49 3/4 near the center pockets. Is it possible when i put the rail bolts in that i can push the center straight while locking down the rail bolts near the center. With the one piece rail design i can see how it can warp due to the very thin rail where the center pocket cutouts are.
 
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