Question about a "Gracie" cue

BillPorter

BillPorter

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I just received a cue that I bought on eBay about a week ago. It is from the Philippines. Here's the link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5584&rd=1&rd=1

As you can see, it appears to be signed by "Royce Gracie." The description is inaccurate in several places: the cue weighs 18.0 oz., not 19.5 oz., the pin is described as "3/8 by 16," but it measures .306 inches (not the .375 inches that a 3/8 pin would measure) and looks to have abut 14 threads per inch instead of 16.

If anyone out there has a Gracie cue, does the signature look correct? Also, while the butt of the cue looks OK (the inlays look real, for example), the shaft wood looks cheap with a fair number of dark marks and lines. I'm thinking that Gracie cues would not have such a cheap looking shaft. Of course, I have only about $100 invested in the cue, so I won't be suicidal if it turns out to be a fake. Thanks in advance for any help with this one!
 
Did you...

Ask cueball1950
he is the closest thing to an expert I know on those cues.

contact the cuemaker?
Perhaps they can send you another shaft?
Did you pay with paypal?
You can file a grievance...not as described grievance?

BillPorter said:
I just received a cue that I bought on eBay about a week ago. It is from the Philippines. Here's the link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5584&rd=1&rd=1

As you can see, it appears to be signed by "Royce Gracie." The description is inaccurate in several places: the cue weighs 18.0 oz., not 19.5 oz., the pin is described as "3/8 by 16," but it measures .306 inches (not the .375 inches that a 3/8 pin would measure) and looks to have abut 14 threads per inch instead of 16.

If anyone out there has a Gracie cue, does the signature look correct? Also, while the butt of the cue looks OK (the inlays look real, for example), the shaft wood looks cheap with a fair number of dark marks and lines. I'm thinking that Gracie cues would not have such a cheap looking shaft. Of course, I have only about $100 invested in the cue, so I won't be suicidal if it turns out to be a fake. Thanks in advance for any help with this one!
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Hey Bill, from what I have learned the are "Gracie" and there are "Royce Gracie" cues. "Gracie" cues are made in the Phillipines with the daughter of the cue makers first name being "Gracie". I couldt see the pics from Ebay for some reason but if you say that the signiture is "Royce Gracie" then you did not recieve the Gracie brand that I recieved. I won the first kind on ebay for about $ 175.00. with 2 shafts. Mine had a Meucci joint 5/16-18 flat faced. One shaft was fine, but the other came warped. Neither had very many growth rings and they were not very hard. I got them to send me another shaft. The cue hit decently. Similar to a Meucci to me. I'm a 5/16-14 piloted s.s. joint kind of guy. I need a real firm hit. So I sold it on ebay with the third shaft and broke about even with shipping. Hope this helps.

Dom
 
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Bill,
Contact Gracie cues. I own one and also bought it on ebay, from Graciecues, not the screen name on your auction. My shafts have 8 and 12 growth rings, respectively, and not bad considering the climate change.

Good Luck

jdsons

gracie cues: http://graciecues.multiply.com/

They are pretty good at returning email.
 
Ps

I almost forgot. Mine is not signed and I would post pics once I learn who to resize.

jdsons
 
shamadam said:
Hey Bill, from what I have learned the are "Gracie" and there are "Royce Gracie" cues. "Gracie" cues are made in the Phillipines with the daughter of the cue makers first name being "Gracie". I couldt see the pics from Ebay for some reason but if you say that the signiture is "Royce Gracie" then you did not recieve the Gracie brand that I recieved. I won the first kind on ebay for about $ 175.00. with 2 shafts. Mine had a Meucci joint 5/16-18 flat faced. One shaft was fine, but the other came warped. Neither had very many growth rings and they were not very hard. I got them to send me another shaft. The cue hit decently. Similar to a Meucci to me. I'm a 5/16-14 piloted s.s. joint kind of guy. I need a real firm hit. So I sold it on ebay with the third shaft and broke about even with shipping. Hope this helps.

Dom
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Thanks for the info. cueball1950 replied on the main forum and from what he and you have said, I am now sure that what I got was not the "good" Gracie cue. But hey, it is straight, the hit is OK, and it has what appear to be real ivory inlays, so I can surely recoup my $100. Thanks for the reply.
 
paulybatz said:
Ask cueball1950
he is the closest thing to an expert I know on those cues.

contact the cuemaker?
Perhaps they can send you another shaft?
Did you pay with paypal?
You can file a grievance...not as described grievance?
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Actually, considering that I have only $100 invested in the cue, I don't consider it such a bad deal. The cue is straight, plays OK, and appears to have real ivory inlays. So I'm sure I can recoup the $100 if I want to get rid of it. Thanks for your reply!
 
Actually...

you are lucky the cue made it through customs...I know two people whose cues got confiscated by customs because of Ivory inlays.
Pauly
 
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paulybatz said:
you are lucky the cue made it through customs...I know two people whose cues got confiscated by customs because of Ivory inlays.
Pauly
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Yeah, the seller said he could ship via Fed Ex, but that way was more likely to run afoul of customs. I told him to send it whatever way was least risky. He sent it Global Express Mail and it got here in just 6 days with no problems.
 
I've had extensive conversations with Gracie's daughter and have recently purchased one of his cues. If gracie cues are signed and sold on E-bay, they are signed "Gracie Cues". Gracie himself does not sign many of his cues, and if they are signed, it's usually by the daughter as she does most of his business affairs as far as the cues go.


The latest one I bought should be in this week. The Gracie's are great to work with and I don't have any complaints at all. I actually requested that Gracie himself sign the cue with his name, and he had no problem. I had a few small other requests as well and they had no problems.
 
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