question about apa masters

itsfroze said:
See this is where you're wrong you are the problem if you say this, just wanting to write
it off on something else. It's a reflection of a that's just the way it is type mentality.

The fact is if these league players don't know how to display etiquette then
teach them instead off just blaming it on something else and just passing the buck.

For someone that complains about the APA bashing as much as you do, you seem to tend to
look past the actions of the people causing the bashing. You are part of the problem and might
as well condone their actions, when you make a statement like the above "today's society" BS.
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i was not trying to just dismiss it by saying its just the way todays society is although it is true.

just look around you......parents getting in fights over kids playing base ball. unruly fans throwing beer at just about any major sporting event. road rage is almost an every day occurance all across the country.

most people do not give a shit about any one but their selves any more. it would be nice if every one who stepped into a pool hall showed nothing but class and respect for each other but but them days are long gone and ...you can chalk it up to todays society as a whole.

btw...also last night i had a league player come up and start talking to me. he was standing close to a 9' table where 2 regular players were playing and happened to be in the way of one of them attempting to shoot. i told said player to move and he oughta be more aware of his surroundings when holding a conversation.

see....i am doing my part to educate thoughtless league players. :D

again...this is not about uneducated new league players. that belongs in an apa bashing thread...feel free to start one if you wish.

this thread is about master league...which encompasses established players who oughta know better than to do all the stuff you are complaining about.
 
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In the APA league I'm a part of you must be on a regular APA team roster to qualify to play in the masters league. I don't know if that is just a local rule or if that's a national rule.

Some of the higher level players that I know from other leagues don't want to play on a regular APA team because of the problems their high S/L's create for their teams trying to play within the 23 rule so they won't play masters.

I'm not a masters level player even though I'm a new 7 in 8 and a 6 in 9. I love playing in the masters though. I do it to play the better players and improve my overall ability to play. Unfortunately getting enough players to field a league is a challenge.
 
itsfroze said:
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Most don't play APA, just to much BS

Playing even up would mean that the league players would have to face reality, as it would show them what their
real level of play was and from what I've witnessed most would rather talk about how good they play than find out the truth.
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Do you mean most good players or most players in general ? Because they're the largest league in the country. So somebody is playing lol
 
We don't have a masters division here, I don't think we could get enough people to make it work.

Cuz they're scared, no.

There's only so many players in this small city, and we already have league on three nights (APA 8 and 9, and a new TAP league), and an in-house league on Saturdays.

I'd play masters, for the experience and challenge, if it were available and I had the time. Neither of which will change here any time soon...
 
justadub said:
We don't have a masters division here, I don't think we could get enough people to make it work.

Cuz they're scared, no.

There's only so many players in this small city, and we already have league on three nights (APA 8 and 9, and a new TAP league), and an in-house league on Saturdays.

I'd play masters, for the experience and challenge, if it were available and I had the time. Neither of which will change here any time soon...
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dub as in your case there are exceptions to every rule. i do think there is some truth in itsfroze post stating some people would rather talk about how good they are rather than getting on the table and proving it.

not just apa players, but quite a few handicapped league players in all leagues fall under that assumption i believe. i talked with a few players around my area...mostly 5's and 6's who say they don;t want to play masters for fear of their handicap going up. that is totally false...unless masters allows them to learn a few things playing better players and they improve enough to go up.

our lo is attempting to start a mini masters which is geared specifically for s/l 4's and 5's using the same masters format. i told my lo to put me down for that if it starts up and already have a kick ass team lined up.

in a strange way masters takes me back to my younger days playing in bars where i would walk in and play any one even up for what ever money i had. of course i did not win all the time but i managed to play well enough to be called a hustler on several occasions.:D
back then no one ever thought of giving spots or asking for one. ....not from where i came from any way.
 
itsfroze said:
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Most don't play APA, just to much BS

Playing even up would mean that the league players would have to face reality, as it would show them what their
real level of play was and from what I've witnessed most would rather talk about how good they play than find out the truth.
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That's a big statement coming from somebody that does nothing but talk about other's games. Please, tell us more. Perhaps it's time you win another second chance tournament so you can really show us your real level of play, unless you're afraid of the truth.
 
As far as masters goes around here..

People usually have their tournament night, regular apa night, bca night and whatever else. From what ive experienced, the better players feel that they shouldn't have to show up every week and should just have the other players show up every week instead. It comes off as a bit of an entitlement syndrome. Add to that the fact apa doesn't exactly have a high payout and you end up with pretty small divisions.

I liked it and thought the format was good, but the drive, extra night for pool and occasionally feeling like i was a paying placeholder made me scrap the idea after my last season this past summer.
 
well this thread went sideways a lil just like any thread with the letters apa in them seems to do on this forum. let me try to get it back on track.:grin:

it seems like a lot of people complain about certain things in apa like...23 rule...sand bagging ....goofy rules geared towards lower level players etc. to a certain extent all those complaints are justified.

with that being said...it just puzzles me that people are not jumping at the chance to play in a format that addresses all those issues. i am just curious why it is not more popular than it is.

surely there must be enough decent players in each moderate size town that are willing to play a race to 7 even up under "real " rules to form a league.
 
lorider said:
surely there must be enough decent players in each moderate size town that are willing to play a race to 7 even up under "real " rules to form a league.
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Many people still don't like the slop rule in 8b, too. There have been a few divisions around here, but most just end up with the minimum four teams. A lot of the better players go with bca as it provides more tournaments suited to a higher level of play.
 
Local APA league operator may not have an economic incentive to offer a Masters league. There may be too few players to sustain more than one league. On the flip side, when you have a market that have multiple competing leagues (in-house, independent, national franchise), then the local operator may be forced to offer additional APA league products such as 9-ball, Masters to attract and compete.
 
Yes it's better but it's also more serious, no handicaps. Most league players don't play outside of league nights or at any tournaments, and have no interest in playing better players even.

I would think anyone that is a top rank in APA would be playing in the masters if there was one in their area.

Look at all the newer posters on here that have been playing for years and don't know the difference between an LD shaft and a regular one. That is what most league players are like, no interest in the pool outside of league nights.

There is a weekly tournament that goes on in my regular room, $7 entry fee, even races. There are like 12 regular players that go there, but there are 3 nights of league in the room that fills up the place. Maybe 4 people form league play in it.

People also show up for a week all exited to play, they say "what a nice place" "this is fun I'll be here all the time", then are never seen again when they find out that some of the players that play can make more than 2 balls at a time.

Most pool players don't like to play better players, makes them look bad.
 
also, by playing masters only , you're not eligible for any of the national singles tournys. only master teams tourny. like i said, apa doesnt care about masters.
 
I think it probably simply reflects why most people play in leagues: fun, enjoyment, and a few drinks on an evening out as opposed to stiff competition. That plus the fact there are relatively few league players that can compete on that level.
 
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I think Masters is great, and the nearest one to me has lots of good players and few that nobody in this thread would be happy to play.

But I do think the APA is shortsighted in only allowing 4-person rosters. Kids, jobs, long one pocket match, you name it. It's very easy to have 2 players unavailable on any given week. I see the APA's logic: there's only so many (call it N) sufficiently good players, so it's better to create N/4 teams than N/5 teams. But I think with 5 person rosters they might draw in a lot more players.

Or I could be over-extrapolating from my personal situation.

Cory
 
Txstang1 said:
also, by playing masters only , you're not eligible for any of the national singles tournys. only master teams tourny. like i said, apa doesnt care about masters.
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In our area, you have to qualify for the singles in a regional. The masters players can participate in those.
 
we have a local apa masters league and it started with 7 teams and this session has grown to 11 teams with 12 or 13 lined up the next session. I tried other league types but could not deal with all the issues we all know about. the only complaint I have is the slop rule in 8 ball but that is minor in comparison.
 
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