Question about very slight warp in Schon Butt that does not affect roll of the Shaft.

[justinb386]

I have a Schon cue that has an extremely slight roll out up near the joint (so slight that I could not fit a credit card under the roll out), and when the butt is rolled together with the Schon shaft, there is not any indication of a warp at all (other then very slight taper roll out), and the tip and ferrule remain completely flat while being roll together or apart.

I was only able to create a very short 10 second video showing the roll out in the butt, because there is an issue with my digital camera locking up after a very short recording of a vid. Here is a link to the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPq4rclDoAU

I was wanting to sell my Schon, and am very concerned that this very slight roll out in the butt of the Schon will turn interested buyers away.

I am just curious on opinions about the description of the roll out that I noted above?

Just wondering how much the value of the Schon could possibly be hurt?

I know that pictures do not really matter about my question, but just wanted to show pictures of the cue (that were just taken today).

Thanks for any opinions about the issue that I described, and what you think the value of the cue is (in the condition that I noted above)?

It is a Schon SP 1106, and very curious to find out more info about the cue (like what years that model was made, and the original retail price of it, from a Schon dealer for example)?

Sorry for not making 2 posts about these 2 very different topics, but thought it would save some space on the forum.

Thanks again for any opinions about my questions.

 

[TATE]

The slight roll is very small. These things look amplified when they're at the joint like that. I can barely see it in the video.

That being said, Schon's generally have mediocre value unless they are the older collectible Schons from the 1980's. It's not that they are bad cues by any means, it's just that they made a lot and they are for sale a lot.

That being said, your cue is pretty unique and I believe it is different from many modern Schons. It has sharp points and inlays and somebody who wants that Black Widow look with might like it.

The SP line was limited production where some batches of models were made for speculative sale on billiard's websites. Below is a link to a similar model on AZ billiards sold by Seybert's in 2009. Also, there is a page from Seybert's website in 2009 with similar models.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=154495



https://web.archive.org/web/20100102084752/http://www.seyberts.com/catalog/Schon_Cues_SP_Series-10097-1.html

 

[slide13]

Man, that sharp pointed ebony into ebony cue isn't worth anything now. I'll give you $200 for it just because I'm nice though

Seriously though, I don't see much movement at all in that video, maybe it's more prominent in real life? hard to say, but if that video is true then it's pretty close to straight and I'd use that video in your selling and let people decide for themselves. Might take the value down a little, but it looks really close to straight so I can't imagine it would be a huge hit.

Frankly, on a nice old cue like that I might be more comfortable with someone who says its just barely off and shows that video then someone who just says its straight....everything is straight if you don't try to look very hard.

 

[justinb386]

Man, that sharp pointed ebony into ebony cue isn't worth anything now. I'll give you $200 for it just because I'm nice though

Seriously though, I don't see much movement at all in that video, maybe it's more prominent in real life? hard to say, but if that video is true then it's pretty close to straight and I'd use that video in your selling and let people decide for themselves. Might take the value down a little, but it looks really close to straight so I can't imagine it would be a huge hit.

Frankly, on a nice old cue like that I might be more comfortable with someone who says its just barely off and shows that video then someone who just says its straight....everything is straight if you don't try to look very hard.

Thanks for your reply. The cue does look very straight when rolled together with the shaft, and no movement in the tip (through most of the shaft, other then very slight taper roll out, which I think is pretty normal with most shafts). The slight bit of light under the joint kind of bothered me though. Can't really see it when rolling the cue together though. Thanks again.

 

[justinb386]

The slight roll is very small. These things look amplified when they're at the joint like that. I can barely see it in the video.

That being said, Schon's generally have mediocre value unless they are the older collectible Schons from the 1980's. It's not that they are bad cues by any means, it's just that they made a lot and they are for sale a lot.

That being said, your cue is pretty unique and I believe it is different from many modern Schons. It has sharp points and inlays and somebody who wants that Black Widow look with might like it.

The SP line was limited production where some batches of models were made for speculative sale on billiard's websites. Below is a link to a similar model on AZ billiards sold by Seybert's in 2009. Also, there is a page from Seybert's website in 2009 with similar models.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=154495



https://web.archive.org/web/20100102084752/http://www.seyberts.com/catalog/Schon_Cues_SP_Series-10097-1.html

Thank you very much for the info and the links. That Schon that was sold by Seyberts is much nicer then mine. Love the ivory checkered rings in that cue. My cue has a very hard hit to it, and I wonder if that is because of the tip, or the SS joint. I just received the cue, and my last cue was a wood to wood 3/8x10 Jacoby, and the Schon hits so much different. I guess I just got used to the softer hit of the Jacoby (love the way that cue hit, and it had just a regular le pro tip on it I think). I just can't get used to it. Would a softer tip help? Sorry for changing the subject, lol.

 

[slide13]

Light under the joint isn't a problem in itself, it's only when the amount of light varies a lot and I don't see much variance there at all.

 

[justinb386]

Light under the joint isn't a problem in itself, it's only when the amount of light varies a lot and I don't see much variance there at all.

Thanks. It (the light) varies a tiny little bit, but barely noticeable. I wonder if very many would get that far down on the cue to notice the little bit of light under the joint when rolling the cue. I guess it is more important the higher end the cue gets, and the Schon really is not really a high end cue.

 

[TATE]

Thank you very much for the info and the links. That Schon that was sold by Seyberts is much nicer then mine. Love the ivory checkered rings in that cue. My cue has a very hard hit to it, and I wonder if that is because of the tip, or the SS joint. I just received the cue, and my last cue was a wood to wood 3/8x10 Jacoby, and the Schon hits so much different. I guess I just got used to the softer hit of the Jacoby (love the way that cue hit, and it had just a regular le pro tip on it I think). I just can't get used to it. Would a softer tip help? Sorry for changing the subject, lol.

The tip could be the culprit and changing it is the first thing I would do. After that, it's more than likely the shaft wood itself. I've had some stinker shafts that I tried to change the tip, ferrule and taper. They still stunk. Some maples cushion the blow better than others. The joint, in my opinion, has the least to do with feel of the hit. Many would argue that point but I believe the shaft wood itself varies at the cellular level and that resonance is what makes each shaft feel different. Personally, I like firm shafts. I have found that a firm shaft is "what you see is what you get" and tend not to surprise me with a ton of unexpected draw or English. One of the reasons I like laminated shafts like Tiger and Predator is they tend to be more consistent from shaft to shaft. They eliminate the guessing game of a cue maker choosing batches of maple.

 

[TATE]

Thanks. It (the light) varies a tiny little bit, but barely noticeable. I wonder if very many would get that far down on the cue to notice the little bit of light under the joint when rolling the cue. I guess it is more important the higher end the cue gets, and the Schon really is not really a high end cue.

Most players would call it straight if the cue, screwed together, rolls flat with no wobble.