Question re: piloted joint and Schon cues...

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Schon cues are said to have a stiff hit due in part to the piloted joint. What exactly is meant by piloted joint, is that the end of the threads inside the shaft or the end of the pin?

Also, if you look at the pics of the pin on these two schons, they appear do be different. Is that correct and if so does it change the hit?

Thanks
 
alstl said:
Schon cues are said to have a stiff hit due in part to the piloted joint. What exactly is meant by piloted joint, is that the end of the threads inside the shaft or the end of the pin?

Also, if you look at the pics of the pin on these two schons, they appear do be different. Is that correct and if so does it change the hit?

Thanks

THE TERM PILOTED REFERS TO THE FACT THAT THE SHAFT HAS AN INSERT STICKING OUT THAT FITS INTO A RECESS ON THE BUTT OF THE CUE. A FLAT FACED JOINT WOULD NOT HAVE EITHER OF THOSE ATTRIBUTES.

THE STIFFNESS/SOFTNESS OF A HIT, IS DETERMINED BY MANY FACTORS. I'VE PLAYED WITH FLAT FACED CUES THAT ARE STIFF AND WITH PILOTED CUES THAT ARE STIFF. THE JOINT STYLE IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF WHERE THE HIT STYLE(SOFT/HARD) COMES FROM.IN MY OPINION. I THINK ALOT OF THE WAY A CUE FEELS COMES FROM THE TAPER ON THE CUE.
 
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Schon cues are said to have a stiff hit due in part to the piloted joint. What exactly is meant by piloted joint, is that the end of the threads inside the shaft or the end of the pin?

Also, if you look at the pics of the pin on these two schons, they appear do be different. Is that correct and if so does it change the hit?

Thanks

The 'pilot' is the portion of the brass insert(and the portion of the shaft [wood shoulder between insert edge and shaft face] that is attached to the insert) that sticks out of the shaft and actually goes into the joint of a Schon. Most are not really functional because they are not cut to a close enough tolerance to make them work. Few cue makers fit a piloted shaft correctly so that the joint actually works the way it was intended to work.

Some Schon shafts rings (with the single silver ring) vary as they were made at different times. This happens with other cues also for example Joss. If you know when the changes were made it is a good way to date when the cue was made or at least the shaft was made.
 
The hit is more attributed to the shaft taper, ferrule, tip, construction method, etc.

Yes they changed their type of pins can't remember when they did it, no it doesn't affect the hit.



"Schon cues are said to have a stiff hit due in part to the piloted joint. What exactly is meant by piloted joint, is that the end of the threads inside the shaft or the end of the pin?

Also, if you look at the pics of the pin on these two schons, they appear do be different. Is that correct and if so does it change the hit?"
 
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