Questions about Predator cues

Tabaza

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Hi,

I am still a beginner, so I hope to get good feedbacks which I can learn from.

after reading on google for days, I have stopped on

Predator P3 Cues and Predator 2Ikon Cues.

and noticed that Predator 2IKON 9 is the most expensive cue. and noticed that Z2 Shafts are newer than 314-2 Shafts

so, I came up with a conclusion to buy 2IKON9 with Z2 shaft. is this the perfect choice or not?

also, as a beginner, do I need to buy break and jump cues?


last, where can I buy second hand 2IKON cues?

thanks for all
 
All predator cues are built the same.
Any of the butts will play the same as each other.
The z2 shaft has a smaller tip diameter, and is lower deflection than the 314-2 shaft.
You should try both and make a decision based on that.
The higher prices cues are more expensive due to the more elaborate inlays and exotic woods used in construction.
 
Obcues.com
Ob is a brand of cues that are also low deflection.
They have a very strong presence on azb and the owner is a regular poster.
Ob is a very nice cue that plays very well.
 
I have been playing with predators for years now. Started off with a 3k4 then got a P2 and right now have two special edition (numbers 27 and 28). Also have the bk3 break stick. Now the the 3k4 and the P2 hit the same but the special editions are a lot different. That being said they are made by other designers for predator. I prefer SE 27 which was made by Jacoby. The feel is just better for me. In fact I'm currently trying to sell SE 28.


As for the shafts... I have played with the 314-2, Z, and 314. Honestly I'm not a fan of the Z. The 314 and 314-2 are very similar. They are my preference. I just didn't care for the thinner shaft.

As for a break stick. As a beginner I wouldn't break with a predator cue. If you don't want to purchase a break stick at first just make sure you use a house stick. Could always get a break stick later on.

If you are wanting a high end predator I do have my special edition #28 lancea 1 for sale. It's a limited run of 75 cues and is number 40 and signed by the designer J. Pechauer. I just got it about 4 weeks ago and just played with it a few times. Paid 1500 for it but will let it go for 1300. Retails for 1795. It's in perfect condition.

Only selling because I had some house repairs pop up my HOA is requiring me to fix. It's a good stick with a beautiful design and inlays.

Oh and it has a 314-2 quick release uni-loc pin.

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So I did this long reply but for some reason it didn't post. If it pops up later on I apoligize for the double post.

I have been playing with Predator cues for a long time. Started off with a 3k4, then traded up for a P2. Last year I got a Special Edition SE27 Panthera 2, and a few weeks ago I got the Special Edition SE28 and the break stick BK3. I have played with all of their shafts and this is my opinion.

First of all for the most part I agree with the earlier poster. Most of the butts play about the same. The 3k4, and the P2 I had played very similar. I couldn't tell a difference. A guy in my pool league has a P3, and he said he couldn't tell a difference either from the other two. That being said my two Special Editions play a lot different. They have a more solid hit to them, and I can tell a huge difference in control. Preditor didn't design those though. the Panthera 2 was designed by Jacoby, and the Lancea (SE28) was designed by J. Pechauer. I can tell a big difference between them as well. I have my SE28 listed here

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=322927

Now as for shafts - I personally prefer the 314-2 over the Z-2. I have played with them both, but to me I like the thicker shaft with the 314-2. Most of the people I know around town that play with predator shafts have said the same thing. To me it just feels more solid on the hit. Not to say one is better than the other, but they are different. It really comes down to which you feel better with. I will say if you are used to playing with any other type of stick or a house stick it will take you a while to get adjusted to the low deflection shafts. Once you get used to it, you will like it better though.

As for the break stick. If you are just starting out I would probably wait on a break stick. Just use a house stick around a bar. I would NOT use a predator to break with unless it is a break stick. reason being to not flatten out your tip, and not as much stress on the stick. Would hate for anyone to spend that much money on a stick, and then break with it, and possibly break it. I LOVE my BK3 break stick.

If you have any questions feel free to hit me up. Like I said I have been playing with Predators for about 10 years now.
 
Clerks37, thank you so much for these details.

I play using house cues for 2-3 years now, I noticed when I play with thin tips I do a good job, but if it is too thick, I face difficulty doing some English sides in some areas

also noticed, that I enjoy playing when the cue is neither too heavy nor too lite

judging on this and based on your experience, is 2IKON9 with Z2 the best solution or Special Edition with Z2?


as for the break, I can use the house cues.

as for the jump cue, do I need to buy one? I don't even know how to use it.. should I learn it?
 
With a low deflection shaft you should see your english shots improve even with a thicker tip. Just remember to chaulk up :)

As far as the Ikon to the SE sticks. Personally I prefer the SE sticks, but they can be expensive. A lot of it depends on what you are wanting to spend. The currently SE stick Predator is selling was designed by Mezz. I believe the retail of it is 1995, but usually you can find dealers selling it at about 15% off. Sometimes more depending on dealers. Predator is pretty strict on what it will allow their dealers to sell cues for.

As the earlier poster said in the Ikon, and P3 line they are all probably going to feel about the same. Doesn't matter if it is an Ikon 9 or Ikon 5. You are just mainly paying more for the design of the stick. I am not one to speak as I have expensive taste, and tend to spend money when I dont need to on pool cues.

If it were me buying one I would get a SE. Only problem is they only sale one at a time and they switch them out about every 6 months. The current one out there now was just changed about a month ago so it is fairly new. The Lancea 1 / 2 are still fairly easy to find, and sometimes you can find older ones, but in most cases are used.

The only thing with the SE is keep in mind the person who designed them. They are all made different. Of the two I have I prefer the one made by Jacoby. I just LOVE that stick. In fact I am trying to sell the one I just got a few weeks ago but mostly because I need to do some home repairs. Its good to, and plays a lot better than the P2 I used to have.

I wouldn't say that the Z2 is the way to go. Like I said earlier the 314-2 in my opinion has a better feel to the hit. You will tell a HUGE difference with both. That being said everyone has a different opinion about them. If you like a thiner wood on the shaft then the Z2 might be best for you.

I have been reading lately on here about people's opinions on different low defliction shafts and a bunch of people prefer the OB shafts over the Predator. I personaly and curious to try the Jacoby Hybrid Edge. I haven't tried any of those yet, but I have heard good things about both. In my area most people seem to use Predator 314-2.

If you are wanting a Predator I would get what you can aford. If money isn't an option then yeah get a SE. If you are wanting to save some them get whatever Ikon you like the look of best. They are all going to play the same.

Now as for the jump stick. I recently got a Lomax jump (he is a custom maker out of GA). I had never heard of him until I signed up on this site a couple of months ago. Lots of people rage about how awesome his jump cues are. I took a chance and called him up and bought one. It is awesome. I have never been a good jumped and in fact had trouble with consistancy of just making a good hit. With this jump cue and a few youtube videos I learned how to jump with ease. I had a Lucasi jump/break cue, and in my opinion the combo sticks are harder to learn how to jump with. I sold it, and thats when I bought my predator break stick, and Lomax jump. LOVE both of them. Wont trade them for anything.

When I was doing my research on hear about jump cues I was originaly looking for a predator jump cue. They used to make one but retired it a couple of years ago. I wrote them asking about them, and they wrote me back said that they were working on one, and hoped to have it out in production later this summer. So if you are wanting to stay true to the predator line they should have it out soon.

Since you have been playing a couple of years. You might want to look into geting a break stick. Its totally up to what you feel comfortable with, but I like having the consistancy of shooting with the same sticks.
 
Another thing to keep in mind. The special editions are a limited production line and numbered/signed by the designer. When you go to sale it the resale value will hold up more and there will be a bigger demand on the special edition cues.

Like I said though the bad thing is the price.
 
clerks37, thanks for your time and support, I really appreciate it
to save some money for now I will think about SE in later stages.

Currently I am looking for

2nd Generation IKON with any version
Z2 Shaft
Break and Jump Cues
Case

I am open for any offer as full package, I am able to pay by PayPal.

let me know if someone can get me this package with a good price.
 
I'm not sure. I have had a couple do that to me as well. Mine was in the for sale section though. Both times I tried to add a picture when I had problems.

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Clerks37, thank you so much for these details.

I play using house cues for 2-3 years now, I noticed when I play with thin tips I do a good job, but if it is too thick, I face difficulty doing some English sides in some areas

also noticed, that I enjoy playing when the cue is neither too heavy nor too lite

judging on this and based on your experience, is 2IKON9 with Z2 the best solution or Special Edition with Z2?


as for the break, I can use the house cues.

as for the jump cue, do I need to buy one? I don't even know how to use it.. should I learn it?

Tabaza,

The main concern for you should be the shaft. Personally, I prefer the 314-2 over the Z2. I just like the taper and the wider diameter tip better. Many people feel the same, but the Z2 is also a good shaft. If you are purely looking for the lowest deflection shaft you can get, go with the Z2. If you want something that has a pro taper, and a tip that is closer to the width you are used to, go with the 314-2. You honestly can't go wrong either way.

As for the tip being "thick" or "thin"... don't worry about that. This cue will be such a drastic difference from the house cues you are used to, that you will see massive improvement, regardless of the tip size and type.

As for the butt, don't make the mistake of thinking that a cue is "better" just because it is more expensive. If you get a cue from the icon line, all of them will preform exactly the same. The only reason that certain ones are more expensive is because it costs more to produce the different designs on the cue. Other than looks, they are all exactly the same. Personally, I like the P3 cues. They are plain, classy, affordable and they hit great.

At the end of the day, just pick the shaft that you feel will suit you better (because there is no wrong choice between the two) and pick the butt that you think looks the best (because they will all play the same).

When it comes to cues... the higher prices are for "pretty" not for "performance."


Good Luck!
 
All predator cues are built the same.
Any of the butts will play the same as each other.
The z2 shaft has a smaller tip diameter, and is lower deflection than the 314-2 shaft.
You should try both and make a decision based on that.
The higher prices cues are more expensive due to the more elaborate inlays and exotic woods used in construction.

that's not true the P2 and P3 shafts are built different and feel different when you hit a ball with them. the Ikon and blak butts seem to be thinner. other than that they're all very similar

IMO the Z2 shaft is harder to use because of the thin tip. over spinning the ball is really common and overshooting your position happens way too much. long straight in shots become much harder
 
i started playing much better after i sold my PREDATOR .
First i bought a JOSEY and now i have a Bob Danielson and this
is the best cue i ever shot with . A friend of me has a MEZZ and for a production cue this is not too bad .

The only good thing PREDATOR makes are breakcues .
 
i started playing much better after i sold my PREDATOR .
First i bought a JOSEY and now i have a Bob Danielson and this
is the best cue i ever shot with . A friend of me has a MEZZ and for a production cue this is not too bad .

The only good thing PREDATOR makes are breakcues .

Nonsense.

Everyone plays with a Predator - do you know why? :rolleyes:

As to the differences between them, I agree there won't be much in terms of construction, but there will be in terms of weight, balance etc, which will affect the hit. In that respect, it's pot luck and personal preference - try before you buy.

Of the Preds I've played with, I'd rate them as

1. Blak
2. Older style SPs (certainly best bang for buck)
3. 4k
4. Ikons (Didn't play anywhere near as good as the Blak I swapped it with. The first gen Ikon 8s are absolutely beautiful, however.)
5. P3 (don't rate them at all).

The difference between a z and a 314 is entirely personal preference, and you'll never get an answer on that from this board. Pick one, stick with it.

Am I alone in thinking the current crop of Preds are fugly? The second gens Ikons are particularly horrible. You'd have to be mad to drop $1k on an Ikon 9, as I suspect depreciation will be horrendous. Far better value to be had elsewhere.
 
Nonsense.

Everyone plays with a Predator - do you know why? :rolleyes:

As to the differences between them, I agree there won't be much in terms of construction, but there will be in terms of weight, balance etc, which will affect the hit. In that respect, it's pot luck and personal preference - try before you buy.

Of the Preds I've played with, I'd rate them as

1. Blak
2. Older style SPs (certainly best bang for buck)
3. 4k
4. Ikons (Didn't play anywhere near as good as the Blak I swapped it with. The first gen Ikon 8s are absolutely beautiful, however.)
5. P3 (don't rate them at all).

The difference between a z and a 314 is entirely personal preference, and you'll never get an answer on that from this board. Pick one, stick with it.

Am I alone in thinking the current crop of Preds are fugly? The second gens Ikons are particularly horrible. You'd have to be mad to drop $1k on an Ikon 9, as I suspect depreciation will be horrendous. Far better value to be had elsewhere.

i'm with you 110% when you say the current predators that they're releasing are f'n ugly. the all black P2 looked all business and completely professional. the sneaky petes used to look classy with the old timey look. now the P3 looks like something from the lord of the rings and the new sneaky doesn't look like a sneaky at all. they're pumping out uglier and uglier cues.

i personally think that's because tHEY'VE NOT only moved production to China but the've moved design work there too. if anyone wants to look a few years back look at the cars china designed produced and sold in china. now look at the cars they've blatantly knocked off. in just 5 years they've proved that they can't design much of anything well until they start to copy what others have made.
 
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