Questions for Mike with FargoRate

garczar

AzB Silver Member
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I believe that goal has been accomplished, which is huge. So much more could be done with the app, though, now that FR has become a de-facto standard and benchmark.
FR is a great system once players have 400-500+ robustness. Anything less than that and speeds aren't always right from what i've seen. Mike's computer probably shows it different.
 

Oikawa

Active member
Perhaps been mentioned before, but top 100 lists for different countries, not just USA, would be very informative.
 

fastone371

Certifiable
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It is enough to lose by, see it all the time. Most of the better(550+) players in my area play almost all pool on a bb. When faced with a 9ft(if they'll even play. Chickenshits) they don't play near their bb speed. I don't know where you live but in the Midwest almost all pool, except 1p, is on a bb. A lot of players wouldn't get out of the electric chair to play on a 9ft. They're scared and it shows when they play on one.
I'm just north of Milwaukee, I cant even begin to tell you how surprised I was when the first tournament I played at a pool hall was played on the BB's and not on the big tables. I don't know why the midwest players hate big tables. I have a GCI, I have often considered getting a Diamond BB and putting the GCI in storage but the way I see it it its easier to adapt to the BB speed than it is to acquire the straight shooting skills required of a 9' table. After practicing on a big table all the time there are no long shots on a BB. From what I see when having people over to play on my table a decent player adapts from a BB to big table pretty quick.
 

Justaneng

Registered
Perhaps been mentioned before, but top 100 lists for different countries, not just USA, would be very informative.

Instead of a static page for the different countries I think it would be better to have just a few pages and have the site users just be able to generate a queue on their own.
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
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i agree on the 7ft/9ft, it would be better to have it split up. otherwise, why make the exception for bb and not 9ft joy tables, for example?

one pocket inclusion i can live with.
 

Ģüśţāṿ

AzB Silver Member
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I’ll agree to disagree. I’ve never seen a player beat someone on a barbox and not also beat them on a 9’, or the opposite direction. The game is the same.
I feel that BB versus 9ft should be an irrelevant topic, but on the contrary I play with one guy that I regularly beat on a barbox, but he usually gets me on 9ft. It's always a close race on both sizes, but that's typically the outcome. He has a 9ft at home and I have an 8ft but grew up on barboxes. My positional play is marginally better, he's a better shot maker.

Just food for thought I guess.
 

MattPoland

AzB Silver Member
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Have you considered making more aspects of FargoRate publicly visible. For example the rating changes for a player should be public to everyone.
 

nicksaint26

AzB Silver Member
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I would like to know if you assign more weight to certain tournaments like a $1000 entry tournament vs league night or a $20 tourney. This is where the sandbagging happens. People play league and cheap tournaments to bring their Fargo down. Those same players play much different when the entries are higher!
 
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boogieman

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I'd like to be able to search top players by state. I know that it's fun to keep high score and it would be fun to try to get in the top 10 in one's state.

It would also be nice to see where I sit in the range of all fargo users. Like am I 200,004th place or 4000th place?
 

Tin Man

AzB Gold Member
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I’ll agree to disagree. I’ve never seen a player beat someone on a barbox and not also beat them on a 9’, or the opposite direction. The game is the same.
This is more true than not true but there are exceptions. Woodward beat Orcullo in a race to 150 on the bar table playing 10 ball. I don't think that's in play on a 9'. And I personally know a few bar table players that have Fargo Ratings 10-20 points higher than me that I would love to play big table 9/10 ball with.

But again, those are exceptions and not the rule.
 

justnum

Billiards Improvement Research Projects Associate
Silver Member
Why can't fargorate release an open source version.

Obviously the system is under maintained and there is not enough development.

Is it ready to be an open source project with "paid support"?

At least open sourcing a version of it will make dev faster. There is so much free advice, its hard to know where to start.
 

BRKNRUN

Showin some A$$
Silver Member
I would be curious to know if there are any plans to break out the players rating by discipline....

Example
9/10-ball (rotation) = rating
8-ball = rating
Straight Pool = rating
1-pocket (specialty games) = rating
Overall = rating

Some players only seem to get ratings in 8-ball (league) or perhaps only play weekly 9-ball events....and may have a high rating at 9-ball...but can't play straight pool or 1-pocket at all and thus should have a lower rating in those disciplines.

It would add an element to the reporting adding the discipline but in the long run would get a more accurate general rating...I would think.
 

justnum

Billiards Improvement Research Projects Associate
Silver Member
Until Fargorate is adopted by World Games or Matchroom or WPA then it will be useless.

What appeal does Fargorate have towards Matchroom or WPA or World Games?

Fargorate is an early prototype for a problem down the road.

You can use it for local gambling leagues, but its not a universal measurement system. At best its an addictive gaming treatment. The more you play the more you stay the same.
 

tableroll

Rolling Thunder
Silver Member
Hey guys! Mike Page from Fargo Rate is going to join me for a podcast and I was curious if there were questions or topics you wanted discussed. I can’t promise we’ll get to everything but I just wanted a feel of what people want to dig into.

I know Mike is a member and contributor here on AZB so it’s not like you can’t ask him any question you want. But some things don’t fit well in short written responses.

Let me know and thank you!
We have a 14 team BCA 8 ball league. 5 man race to 13 once a week. How would one calculate a fair match for each team? We all have Fargo ratings. Thanks Mike.
 

tomatoshooter

Well-known member
A lot of players wouldn't get out of the electric chair to play on a 9ft. They're scared and it shows when they play on one.
I think that fear is the big difference. Unless the table is so fast or so slow that a player can't adjust, I don't think it has a large effect on the outcome. Maybe for a few individuals but not in a consistent way across a large sample..
 

tomatoshooter

Well-known member
Hi, Tin Man. I'm looking forward to your next podcast. I have a question for Mike Page. Since Fargorate isn't actually fixed to a rigid standard, but is strictly comparative, is it possible for ratings to drift? Is it possible today's 600 player wound be rated 570 ten years ago?
 

VVP

Registered
I would like to know what percentage of the games in the Fargo database was played on bar boxes and what percentage was played on 9 footers.

BTW, when is the Podcast? I would like to listen.
 
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