Race to 11, 3 hours and 15 mninutes.

Joseph Cues

Joseph Cues

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Impossible?
Chamat and Souquet did it Saturday night, err Sunday morning.
Match started at 9 PM and ended at 12:15 AM.
One pro player joked, they should use a chess-timer.
Not a bad idea imo.
 
Joseph Cues said:
Impossible?
Chamat and Souquet did it Saturday night, err Sunday morning.
Match started at 9 PM and ended at 12:15 AM.
One pro player joked, they should use a chess-timer.
Not a bad idea imo.
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If anybody is going to do it, it doesn't surprise me it is Souquet. People tell me I'm a slow player, but he makes me look like I've just eaten a couple of black beauties. He plays great pool in terms of winning, but he sure is boring to watch.
I think a shot clock is an excellent idea. There is really no need for pros to take that long. My guess is they almost always know what shot they're going to take the minute the cueball stops rolling, but they double and triple check just in case.
 
I have the whole thing on tape to prove it Ralf is a slow player .It all a part of his master plain to win all of his matches at his slow shoting speed, If you don't like watching slow shotmakers don't watch Ralf..Him or Buddy Hall.The slowest players on the tour..
 
Slow players are the worst, and they are full of it if they say it isn't gamesmanship. I played one a few weeks ago, someone I didn't know. We played a race to 5 in one-hole...the match took 4-1/2 hours. He ended up winning 5-3. I told him that I would play him again the next night b/c it seemed like a good game. But I also said if he slow played me again, win or lose, he was going to lose my action.
 
Why is everyone in such a hurry?

I wonder if there is a corralation with age and slow play?

Younger people don't seem to have the patience and are bothered more by slow play. Does anyone else see this?

But I am an older, slow player. LOL
 
Porter said:
Why is everyone in such a hurry?

I wonder if there is a corralation with age and slow play?

Younger people don't seem to have the patience and are bothered more by slow play. Does anyone else see this?

But I am an older, slow player. LOL
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Lemme see.
Sessions were scheduled at 5 PM, 7 PM, 9 PM and 11PM.
Slow players take 3 hours to complete a match at 5 PM.
7 PM session starts around 8:30 PM.
11 PM match starts at 1 AM???
Don't laugh. It happened.
One of the slower players was a young gun.
Kaizer is not old.
I say put a 2-minute shot clock.
 
I watched Ralf play Ernesto earlier Saturday. It was all Ralf and although he took time on each shot, I would say that he would have beat the shot clock. He walked the table a lot and is obviously a perfectionist. He took time on what appeared to be obvious patterns. Ernesto was really not given too many chances. When he had a shot he played fine, but he didn't have too many shots. His match was the shortest lived of the group that was playing at that time.

I watched Chamat play Archer also earlier Saturday. That match went on a little overtime but it was close. I didn't think Chamat was particularly slow.

My guess is that Chamat and Souquet have a thing going on between them - that's a totally ridiculous match. If something likes this looks intentional, one warning, then disqualification as far as I'm concerned.

Chris
 
Porter said:
Why is everyone in such a hurry?

I wonder if there is a corralation with age and slow play?

Younger people don't seem to have the patience and are bothered more by slow play. Does anyone else see this?

But I am an older, slow player. LOL
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I don't think so, I'm in my late 50's and though many people consider me slow I play no slower than I did in my 20's. I think more now, but that's only because I know more now to think about.
Some people are clearly slow playing as a shark, some people it is just their style, and some other people just have their head up their butt. There is no need for players the caliber of Souquet to play so slow, maybe once a rack they don't know immediatly what to do. BTW, I think extreme slow-playing hurts your game, unless of course it hurts your opponent's more.
I try to practice playing faster, but sometimes you can only move so fast. ;)
 
As a Fan and long time Pro tournament attendee (and sometime player) I can appreciate the viewpoint about matches extending over the alloted time.

As a tournament director, this is the nightmare for scheduling. The one or two matches that exceed the alloted time can impact the entire remaining tournament schedule. Or, at the least ONE side of the brackets.

What to do? I disagree about the shot clock, but a MATCH clock is not out of the question. If the match is scheduled for two hours ( or an appropriate time for the the race) and after 90 minutes, the tournament director should put the players on a match clock (30 minutes). When this match clock has expired, who ever is in the lead wins, if the games are tied, the person that won the most of the last odd numbered games. For instance is the race is to 11 and the last 5 games (prior to the match clock expiring), player A won 3 of them, that player would advance.

A referee should be assigned to the table to judge if the player in the lead is stalling to win. Automatic warning, then loss of game, then loss of match.

No breaks will be allowed in the last 30 minutes.
 
How would these 9-ballers ever handled sweating out straight pool to 200 or straight rail billiards 1000 or no count?lol. I would like to watch and learn form the greats in 1/2 hours time but I guess If I cant beat them in 1/2 hour I might as well dummy up and watch as long as it take to get the job done......easy enough huh?! Hahahaha
 
So what's the big deal? I believe that was a hill-hill match, race to 11, for a total of 21 games. That means a per-game average of 9 minutes, 18 seconds. That doesn't seem so long to me. I'm used to games being over in much shorter times, but so what?

There's no time limit in baseball, people still watch. Football games last over 3 hours (with less than 15 minutes of real action), people still watch. Men's tennis matches can last 3, 4, 5 hours or longer, people still watch (and those long matches are always deemed "classics"). How often have we sat and watched the last 2 minutes of a football or basketball game stretch out to half an hour or longer?

It doesn't seem to bother people to watch those games. So why is it different with pool? Where's the patience of the pool fan? Why is it cooler to run a rack in 30 seconds than it is to do it in 10 minutes?

It's not enough to be able to cook Pop Tarts in the toaster in two minutes, now we can microwave them in 10 seconds. If your day is so important that you can't take two minutes out of it to heat a Pop Tart, or enjoy something as enjoyable as well-played pool (regardless of time), why sit in the stands in the first place? Why get hung up on the time? Was the pool good? Did you learn anything? Or were you so sidetracked thinking about how long the match was taking that you forgot to enjoy it for what it was worth?

The average lifespan is increasing, yet people are constantly trying to do everything RIGHT NOW. Personally, I wou

-djb<--oh shit, I ran out of time
 
DoomCue said:
So what's the big deal? I believe that was a hill-hill match, race to 11, for a total of 21 games. That means a per-game average of 9 minutes, 18 seconds. That doesn't seem so long to me. I'm used to games being over in much shorter times, but so what?

There's no time limit in baseball, people still watch. Football games last over 3 hours (with less than 15 minutes of real action), people still watch. Men's tennis matches can last 3, 4, 5 hours or longer, people still watch (and those long matches are always deemed "classics"). How often have we sat and watched the last 2 minutes of a football or basketball game stretch out to half an hour or longer?

It doesn't seem to bother people to watch those games. So why is it different with pool? Where's the patience of the pool fan? Why is it cooler to run a rack in 30 seconds than it is to do it in 10 minutes?

It's not enough to be able to cook Pop Tarts in the toaster in two minutes, now we can microwave them in 10 seconds. If your day is so important that you can't take two minutes out of it to heat a Pop Tart, or enjoy something as enjoyable as well-played pool (regardless of time), why sit in the stands in the first place? Why get hung up on the time? Was the pool good? Did you learn anything? Or were you so sidetracked thinking about how long the match was taking that you forgot to enjoy it for what it was worth?

The average lifespan is increasing, yet people are constantly trying to do everything RIGHT NOW. Personally, I wou

-djb<--oh shit, I ran out of time
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The big deal was the winner of that match had to play Williams while Efren gets to play Alex. The people would have left if not for the Efren-Alex match.
They've actually cut down the time of baseball games. They cut down the number of pratice pitches and the umpires have been instructed to speed things up.
They don't really rush football as the longer it goes= more advertising.
What other sport do you get to see multi-sessions?
Pool has that. So, pros are supposed to finish their matches in two hours. Souquet beat Strickland in Challenge of Champions years ago. There was a shot clock then. He doesn't have to play that slow. Marcus got ball in hand on the last game and took too much time to shoot and probably got out of stroke b/c he hooked himself on the 6 ball. The place went nuts. Before that, he wanted to go the bathroom. The TD stopped him as only one time out was allowed.
Efren and Alex finished their match in one hour and a half.
 
A match that i would like to see is Souqet and Luc Salvas...one slow player and one really fast one, i wonder if it will affect their game...prolly not since they're pros.
 
Cardinal_Syn said:
A match that i would like to see is Souqet and Luc Salvas...one slow player and one really fast one, i wonder if it will affect their game...prolly not since they're pros.
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You better believe slow play hurts Machine Gun Luc. Both he and Parica said the pace of Double J at the us open hurt their chances. I don't call what Jeremy did slow play, though. That's called pre-shot routine. Slow play is someone standing at the table doing nothing.

There are just a couple of players who aren't human.
 
If I had my way ...

I would put everyone on a shot clock, 45 seconds, with 1 extension of 30 seconds per game. It's pretty bad when an 8 handicap playing a 7 handicap in 9 ball start after a 2 and 3 handicap, and get done and the 2 and 3 had only finished 2 games ..... <grins>.

I shot faster when I was younger, more in natural mode, and now that I am older (mid 50's), I shoot more in logic mode, but not that much slower.

Pros know what to do, except maybe on a very hard leave, and have to run 3 or 4 scenerios through their head before deciding on a course of action, but they should not take that long. If you will notice, the more important the match is, the slower the player will play for that particular player.

You have to consider that some players taking so much time are just 'hanging on' while other players can just 2 stroke the same shot with confidence.
Plus I am convinced that brain waves travel at different speeds for different people. Some people can take 3 minutes to get to the obvious logic of the shot that I have down within 3-5 seconds, and they can even be an accomplished player.

I hate the ones that stroke and stroke and stroke and stroke and stroke and stroke and stroke, then raise up, look at it again for 15 seconds, then start the stroking and stroking all over again with the ball 4 inches from the pocket and the cue ball within 18 inches of the object ball.

Or how about the 'time outs' that end up taking 15-18 minutes, when there is a 2 minute time limit to begin with.
 
I believe that pro three-cushion players have a clock they use for their matches. If you play with a fast pace, I think you can get extra time accumulated. I believe I saw this on an accustat video from vegas.
 
Bud Green! Smokin dude from NCA:cool:

If you want to see an interesting contrast between slow/ fast players, check out Southern Billiard's 10-ball ring game. Note the different styles of Basavich/ Farrell. Basavich goes for walks during his shots, which btw cause him to forget what he was thinking...Farrell gets down, puts his tip where he wants to contact CB, one stroke back and FIRE!


Farrell takes the cash. Hope I didn't ruin it for you...

-pige
 
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