Rack your own balls in tournaments?

dogginda9

I need a vacation.
Silver Member
Can anyone give me a good reason why more 9 ball tournaments don't use the "rack your own balls" set of rules? For that matter, even 8 ball as well. I've played on the Fury tour and it definately was a nice suprise to get to rack your own balls. It seems to me that one of the biggest factors in slowing up a tournament is the arguments over the rack. With the other player having the option to inspect the rack for a loose wing ball, what is the harm? In Vegas this year at the BCA's, I saw lots of people giving dirty looks to their opponents when they came up dry on the break. This rule would certainly fix that. Just curious what others might think.
 
You are lying to yourself ifyou think rack your own is going to result in fewer rack-related delays. That said, I prefer to play rack your own too. Seems like the incentive is there to rack 'em good for yourself.
 
dogginda9 said:
Can anyone give me a good reason why more 9 ball tournaments don't use the "rack your own balls" set of rules? For that matter, even 8 ball as well. I've played on the Fury tour and it definately was a nice suprise to get to rack your own balls. It seems to me that one of the biggest factors in slowing up a tournament is the arguments over the rack. With the other player having the option to inspect the rack for a loose wing ball, what is the harm? In Vegas this year at the BCA's, I saw lots of people giving dirty looks to their opponents when they came up dry on the break. This rule would certainly fix that. Just curious what others might think.


I've actually been racking my own in most tournaments anyway. Recently, I've discovered that the majority of my opponents give me bad racks. Initially, I'd simply ask them to rerack but it got to a point where either they refused or didn't know how. The moment my opponent seems irritated by my requests, I immediately offer to rack for myself. To date, there has never been a problem and my run-out average in tournaments has increased.
 
I HATE rack your own I no longer have an excuse for a bad rack :D LOL I've played in alot of rack your owns, I like it but you still have to check the racks sometimes.
 
The timing of this thread is immaculate. Our rack-your-own format on the Tiger/Planet Pool Tour has come under some serious criticism at some of our recent events--mainly forthcoming from certain parties I will not name here. Let it be known that the aforementioned parties are pro-level players who are known to :edit: routinely :edit: complain when things don't go their way (i.e. when they are losing), so we don't always pay heed to those complaints. You can't please them all--on the tour we aim to please the majority of players, and we have succeeded greatly in that. In six years, the only complaints about the racking format have come from prima-donna type players.

That said, we have been using the rack-your-own format for 6 years, and the primary reason for it is that it absolutely does limit the arguments and the rack-checking in comparison to the rack-for-each-other format, and subsequently the time-wasting that comes with the latter.

Granted, there will always be players who exploit "racking secrets" to turn rack-your-own in their favor, but they make up only a fraction of the participants at every tournament. On the other hand, bad racks are abundant in rack-for-each-other, not because of deliberate malicious intent, but because the average player is not that particular about having a good, tight rack.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to have referees or rackers at regional or non-professional tournaments, just as the equipment at these tournaments isn't always perfect. Ultimately, it is a case of "the lesser of the two evils," and rack-your-own definitely is more practical at one- or two-day regional tournaments.
 
Last edited:
My problem is this...I can't rack.

I can not reach over the table and push the rack out with the balls in it to the spot. My arms are simply not long enough. I have been the victim of soooooooo many bad racks. From leaving the head ball loose to almost twisting the rack off line of the middle. In a money match, I watch that front ball like a hawk...and I make dang sure it is frozen at least.

So what would I do in a tournament such as yours? Course I should never have to worry about this as I will never be a "pro" LOL

Shorty
 
There are always ...

2 sides to a coin (and some guys would say 3 ...lol). Just as some players
are very good at racking so the breaker can not make a ball, some are just
as good at racking so a ball goes in.

All I can say is, you better be equally good at racking and breaking, so
you can handle whatever format the tournament is run by .... lol

Racking is one of those 'Johnny-come-lately' items in Pool, that you
learn about after playing awhile, kind of like 'defense'.
 
dogginda9 said:
Can anyone give me a good reason why more 9 ball tournaments don't use the "rack your own balls" set of rules? For that matter, even 8 ball as well. I've played on the Fury tour and it definately was a nice suprise to get to rack your own balls. It seems to me that one of the biggest factors in slowing up a tournament is the arguments over the rack. With the other player having the option to inspect the rack for a loose wing ball, what is the harm? In Vegas this year at the BCA's, I saw lots of people giving dirty looks to their opponents when they came up dry on the break. This rule would certainly fix that. Just curious what others might think.

I don't want to rack my own. I assume most players will give you the best rack they can. I don't want to run out and then have to go rack the balls and then go back to the other end get my cue and break. It messes up your rhythm. You want to just be holding your cue and running balls, not distracted with racking. Just my opinion.
 
Shorty said:
So what would I do in a tournament such as yours? Course I should never have to worry about this as I will never be a "pro" LOL
Shorty

One of our regular players, Jeff Dolezal, plays from a wheelchair and still manages to rack his own, but I know people have offered to rack for him. We would make an exception for you if you were unable to give yourself a good rack because you cannot reach.
 
PrinsNick said:
The timing of this thread is immaculate. Our rack-your-own format on the Tiger/Planet Pool Tour has come under some serious criticism at some of our recent events--mainly forthcoming from certain parties I will not name here. Let it be known that the aforementioned parties are pro-level players who are known to always complain when things don't go their way (i.e. when they are losing), so we don't always pay heed to those complaints. You can't please them all--on the tour we aim to please the majority of players, and we have succeeded greatly in that. In six years, the only complaints about the racking format have come from prima-donna type players.

That said, we have been using the rack-your-own format for 6 years, and the primary reason for it is that it absolutely does limit the arguments and the rack-checking in comparison to the rack-for-each-other format, and subsequently the time-wasting that come with the latter.

Granted, there will always be players who exploit "racking secrets" to turn rack-your-own in their favor, but they make up only a fraction of the participants at every tournament. On the other hand, bad racks are abundant in rack-for-each-other, not because of deliberate intent, but because the average player is not that particular about having a good, tight rack.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to have referees or rackers at regional or non-professional tournaments, just as the equipment at these tournaments isn't always perfect. Ultimately, it is a case of "the lesser of the two evils," and rack-your-own definitely is more practical at one- or two-day regional tournaments.


I don't know if this is included in the Planet-Pool tour but recently, a friend of mine who routinely travels to tournaments told me of a rack-your-own rule that required the 2-ball be placed at the bottom of the rack. I assume this is to discourage racking patterns that would yield a favorable spread. Perhaps you might be able to eliminate some of the arguments you might be receiving by forcing players to rack certain balls in certain places.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
... the 2-ball be placed at the bottom of the rack. I assume this is to discourage racking patterns that would yield a favorable spread...

Well, maybe I am holding myself back! I like to put the 2 at the bottom. I find it tends to come up-table w/ the 1 more often. Perhgaps I need to take another look at that choice!
 
Black-Balled said:
Well, maybe I am holding myself back! I like to put the 2 at the bottom. I find it tends to come up-table w/ the 1 more often. Perhgaps I need to take another look at that choice!


Well, everyone breaks differently. What might work for you isn't necessarily going to work for the next guy.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I don't know if this is included in the Planet-Pool tour but recently, a friend of mine who routinely travels to tournaments told me of a rack-your-own rule that required the 2-ball be placed at the bottom of the rack. I assume this is to discourage racking patterns that would yield a favorable spread. Perhaps you might be able to eliminate some of the arguments you might be receiving by forcing players to rack certain balls in certain places.

No, we don't specify any particular order of the balls, except for the 1-9. We play to the BCA World Standardized Rules and stick strictly to those. There is one rule in there about the balls other than the 1-9 having to be "randomly" placed, but that rule is vague and would be impractical to enforce all the time. For instance, does it mean the balls have to be racked differently every time, or does it simply mean the rest of the balls are not placed in numerical order? That is open to discussion.
 
PrinsNick said:
No, we don't specify any particular order of the balls, except for the 1-9. We play to the BCA World Standardized Rules and stick strictly to those. There is one rule in there about the balls other than the 1-9 having to be "randomly" placed, but that rule is vague and would be impractical to enforce all the time. For instance, does it mean the balls have to be racked differently every time, or does it simply mean the rest of the balls are not placed in numerical order? That is open to discussion.


I am under the impression that it means there is no defined order that one must adhere to when racking (of course the 1 & 9 being the exceptions). I understand your tour's desire to abide by BCA World Standardized Rules but bear in mind, this is not a huge discrepancy from the rules. I think you should do what's best for your tour. Hopefully, that means sticking as closely as possible to BCA rule but I don't think that should be absolute.
 
RichardCranium said:
Drove to SD and played in a tournament...Lost the coin toss....The guy broke the 9 in before I could even sit down...Gave him the benefit of the doubt....He racked..snapped the 9...I watched politley in my chair while he racked....snapped the 9-ball...I decided that if I want to play in this event I better get off my chair and watch him rack....9-ball did not move at all......3-0 in 3 shots!!!!......How does the 9 go from flying in the corner pocket to not moving a inch?????

I don't like rack your own....It is too easy for a player to give himself a wing ball...much more the 9-ball on the break....I would rather put up with a slug rack...At least you still have a chance to outplay them...


I think we should just switch to 10-ball. That'll do away with 98% of this crap.
 
Back
Top