Pretty sure he was joking. 
Radial Pin Cuemakers
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RRfireblade said:Pretty sure he was joking.
ok, oops. jokes on me then. lol
samsarakid24 said:
I think almost any cuemaker will do a radial pin if that is what you want. I have radial pins from Mike Webb, Madison Bob, & Pat Diviney (by request). Mike is the only one who I think might be there, not as a cuemaker persay, but as an attendee.
samsarakid24 said:
I am sorry that you haven't had the pleasure of meeting Murray yet, By far one of the most knowledgable Cue makers and machinist around.
samsarakid24 said:
Not sure why you'd take Murray's comment as negative ... IMHO, he has a valid point that a pin/thread count alone doesn't make a cue or the hit.
I see you speficified Uniloc radial ... I hope people that replied on the thread knows there are more than one radial pin.
Radial Pin
Yeah, Just don't understand why somebody always has to chime in with comments or remarks that have nothing positive to add to the post.
For the Record, I have used every joint pin made at one time or another
including the Unilock Radial Pin. I just wanted some input from all the
people on here that might have some knowledge on the current cuemakers
that are using Radial Pins because I do not own a Radial Pin cue at the moment and I was thinking about buying one.
Thanks..............Paul
Yeah, Just don't understand why somebody always has to chime in with comments or remarks that have nothing positive to add to the post.
For the Record, I have used every joint pin made at one time or another
including the Unilock Radial Pin. I just wanted some input from all the
people on here that might have some knowledge on the current cuemakers
that are using Radial Pins because I do not own a Radial Pin cue at the moment and I was thinking about buying one.
Thanks..............Paul
Samsara...Michael Webb said:
That about says it all... when a fellow cuemaker, an excellent cuemaker I might add, says that kind of statement about Murray, you can take it to the bank.
I will add my kudos to Murray, I own 2 of Mr. Webb's cues and 1 of Mr. Tucker's. They are both excellent cuemakers. Mr. Murray doesn't rely on making cues for his living, he makes cues when the spirit moves him to do so and they disappear immediately.
Incidentally, I also own a Samsara. I think you'd also find that Jim Stadum would also have positive statements about Murray.
I understand why you've never heard of him as he doesn't make a tremendous number of cues, but he is a good cuemaker.
Not sure why you would think my post was negative. Anywho take it as you wish. No skin off my back. If you don't know me and want to meet me then I'll be a VF. I'm easy to spot as I look like Charley Brown and will almost always have a beer in my hand. I'm also around Chris Nitti's booth quite a bit.
Perhaps if you would have included that tidbit in the first post we would have not be here right now.
samsarakid24 said:
Perhaps if you would have included that tidbit in the first post we would have not be here right now.
Murray wasn't being negative. He was being honest.samsarakid24 said:
Just because he didn't tell you what you want to hear, doesn't mean he was being negative.
Tim Scruggs once told me that any type joint is fine, as long as it is done right. This pretty much agrees with what Murray said. Timmy wasn't being negative.
BTW, just because you don't know Murray Tucker doesn't mean he is not a good cue maker. I own a Tucker cue, among others from the top cue makers in the business. Murray doesn't make a lot of cues, because he has a day job, and, from what I understand, he has stopped taking orders because his backlog is too large.
BTW, I would have to check to be sure, but I believe my Tucker cue has a radial pin.
You would be lucky to get a Murray Tucker cue.
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Absolutely nothing negative came from Mr. Tucker... and the fact that you have never heard of him, well, guess that says it all................samsarakid24 said:
Well it's a new day and my fever is down to under 100 so maybe I can be a little more clear.
The radial pin is a great pin. It is made with high quality materials to very tight standards. It is also easy to install straight and thier precision taps make for a nice fit. Beyond that they just hold the shaft on the butt. There are many fine cuemakers who use the radial pin but there are also fine cuemakers that don't. I think it's a shame that a great cue might get passed up just because of preconcieved notions about the components used.
Sorry for any confusion about my first post.
The radial pin is a great pin. It is made with high quality materials to very tight standards. It is also easy to install straight and thier precision taps make for a nice fit. Beyond that they just hold the shaft on the butt. There are many fine cuemakers who use the radial pin but there are also fine cuemakers that don't. I think it's a shame that a great cue might get passed up just because of preconcieved notions about the components used.
Sorry for any confusion about my first post.
I don't think he thought you were negative about the pin , just negative about why a person would care.
For the record , I look for radial pinned cues simply because I have alot of radial pinned cues and I can shift shafts around if I want to. I hate to keep having to buy aftermarket shafts (when I want one) every time I pick up a new cue I want to toy around with. It simply is nicer if they all interchange.
I am a too a fan of Wood to Wood joints tho.
For the record , I look for radial pinned cues simply because I have alot of radial pinned cues and I can shift shafts around if I want to.
I hate to keep having to buy aftermarket shafts (when I want one) every time I pick up a new cue I want to toy around with. It simply is nicer if they all interchange.I am a too a fan of Wood to Wood joints tho.
Here's my story:
So, after selling a higher end cue, I picked up a Josey fancy pete, with Radial pin.....loved how it played!! I thought I had found the be all, end all joint config for me. And, Keith does a great playing cue with Radial pins...truly.
Murray decided to make me a cue of my favorite wood, BdR. I had been wanting a cue from Murray for a long time...and so, was pretty excited. Now, I had also heard nothing but terrific feedback on his cues with the 3/8 x11 pin. Even tho' I was a big fan of Keith's Radial...I knew that I would do myself (and perhaps Murray) a disservice if I did not give the 3/8x11 pin a try.
In the interim, I had a friend, and fellow AZer, sell me one of his Tucker cues, a full splice from a blank Murray had built, that had the 3/8x11 pin.
I am soooooo glad that I decided to go with a pin/joint config that Murray is known for, because the cue my friend sold me plays so well for me, that sometimes I just cannot believe my good fortune...and appreciate every time I pick it up, my friend selling it to me.
Now, while I was picking up the cue my friend sold me, he allowed me the pleasure of playing with one of the last short splice cues Murray has made, with a 5/16-14 SS joint. I am so NOT a SS joint fan. This cue changed my perception of SS jointed cues forever! In one word: AMAZING! If I'd have thought I could have gotten outta there with that cue, unnoticed, I would have!! 
While knowing what type of joint config one prefers to have on a playing cue is a real asset....sometimes you just need to trust that the cuemaker knows what they're doing, and that they can do it well.
I truly do not believe that Murray was trying to be negative....I think he was trying to get you to think beyond the pin type, and to get you to consider that a cue is truly the sum of it's parts...and that not all cues with the same components are going to play the same way.
Lastly...probably a darn good reason you have not heard of Murray or Tucker Cues is because, well, you just do not see too many of these come available on the secondary...a fairly rare event. Those of us fortunate enough to play with one, could not imagine ever parting with it.
Lisa
So, after selling a higher end cue, I picked up a Josey fancy pete, with Radial pin.....loved how it played!! I thought I had found the be all, end all joint config for me. And, Keith does a great playing cue with Radial pins...truly.
Murray decided to make me a cue of my favorite wood, BdR. I had been wanting a cue from Murray for a long time...and so, was pretty excited. Now, I had also heard nothing but terrific feedback on his cues with the 3/8 x11 pin. Even tho' I was a big fan of Keith's Radial...I knew that I would do myself (and perhaps Murray) a disservice if I did not give the 3/8x11 pin a try.
In the interim, I had a friend, and fellow AZer, sell me one of his Tucker cues, a full splice from a blank Murray had built, that had the 3/8x11 pin.
I am soooooo glad that I decided to go with a pin/joint config that Murray is known for, because the cue my friend sold me plays so well for me, that sometimes I just cannot believe my good fortune...and appreciate every time I pick it up, my friend selling it to me.
Now, while I was picking up the cue my friend sold me, he allowed me the pleasure of playing with one of the last short splice cues Murray has made, with a 5/16-14 SS joint. I am so NOT a SS joint fan. This cue changed my perception of SS jointed cues forever! In one word: AMAZING! If I'd have thought I could have gotten outta there with that cue, unnoticed, I would have!!
While knowing what type of joint config one prefers to have on a playing cue is a real asset....sometimes you just need to trust that the cuemaker knows what they're doing, and that they can do it well.
I truly do not believe that Murray was trying to be negative....I think he was trying to get you to think beyond the pin type, and to get you to consider that a cue is truly the sum of it's parts...and that not all cues with the same components are going to play the same way.
Lastly...probably a darn good reason you have not heard of Murray or Tucker Cues is because, well, you just do not see too many of these come available on the secondary...a fairly rare event. Those of us fortunate enough to play with one, could not imagine ever parting with it.
Lisa
A joint just holds two pieces of wood together....does not matter the pin configuration or whether its steel or wood to wood I believe. What matters most is soundness and solidity of the cuemaking process. How stable the woods are...how tight a grain of the woods...etc.
You could duct tape two pieces of wood together and I bet a person could not tell it was duct tape.
JMO
You could duct tape two pieces of wood together and I bet a person could not tell it was duct tape.
JMO
One has to be careful comparing w2w/SS
There are some misconceptions about differences between SS and w2w joints.. Many now adays will not hit any different whatsoever..
A lot of the older SS jointed cues were truly SS which means there was a floating area on the inside of the SS ring and a piloted shaft. Some of these have excellent hit. My Frank Paradise is a perfect example..
Many people today though like the feel of the w2W and many of the so called SS jointed cues are actually w2w with a SS collar which does not have the same hit as the true piloted SS joints.....
Sorry to go off topic a little but I just wanted to clarify that...
the9ballroller said:
There are some misconceptions about differences between SS and w2w joints.. Many now adays will not hit any different whatsoever..
A lot of the older SS jointed cues were truly SS which means there was a floating area on the inside of the SS ring and a piloted shaft. Some of these have excellent hit. My Frank Paradise is a perfect example..
Many people today though like the feel of the w2W and many of the so called SS jointed cues are actually w2w with a SS collar which does not have the same hit as the true piloted SS joints.....
Sorry to go off topic a little but I just wanted to clarify that...
Jaden said:
Good clarification worth noting.
I think alot of people confuse the joint and the collar.
I however do believe that the amount of mass used in the collar 'area' does effect the natural resonance of the cue as a whole but that doesn't mean for good or bad. Just depends on what your feeling for and prefer.
absolutely....
I prefer the resonance and feedback that wood to wood joints provide and even though my current playing cue appears to be a SS it is in fact a wood to wood and does use a radial pin, so I guess it's kind of on topic. I think that the SS joints, while they don't necesarily give the same feedback, they are akin to the low defelction shafts of todays market and provide nice straight hitting solid feeling cues...
RRfireblade said:
I prefer the resonance and feedback that wood to wood joints provide and even though my current playing cue appears to be a SS it is in fact a wood to wood and does use a radial pin, so I guess it's kind of on topic. I think that the SS joints, while they don't necesarily give the same feedback, they are akin to the low defelction shafts of todays market and provide nice straight hitting solid feeling cues...
samsarakid24 said:
Paul,
He wasn't negative. Just giving you sound advice. If you are going to be at VF try out a bunch of cues. Not only cuemakers that use radial pins will be there, but I am sure dealers will have some radial pins from cuemakers that aren't there. But if you are going to VF just to try radial pin cues you will be missing the boat on others. I never played with a solid ivory flat faced joint, and in fact I hate them. But I have one now that I really like, so it just goes to show, try em all... you don't have to buy them all.
JV
runscott said:
Excellent response, Scott! It is precisely this type of treatment that has caused highly respected cuemakers, who were members here in the past, to leave AZ for more receptive environs, or sadly, to shun the net altogether.
I think that sometimes we here take for granted some of the wonderful opportunities we have to learn from those cuemakers who are willing to share their knowledge and expertise with us. We should treat these opportunities as gifts...not belittle because it is something we may not want to hear.
Lisa