Raffle ideas / rules / participation

classiccues

classiccues

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After the last cluster**** with a recent maybe there should be a set of guidelines discussed by the members. www.megamillions.com and www.powerball.com are the two sites that are the drawing devices. Do the participants HAVE to be AZ members? I think there was an issue at one time. If not, should it be noted that outside interests may participate? Or do we just encourage them to joint, WTF right, it's free.

Insurace or "raffle" savers should be publicly posted. Why? Because if someone that is not on the up and up wins and doesn't honor his saver offer I would fear retaliation, to the seller, to paypal similar to the BPG incident. Which would be unfair to the seller since they are not at fault here.

Any ideas? Thoughts? Maybe make a rules sticky?

JV
 
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One rule I think should be in place is that the owner of the cue or case to be raffled should not be able to buy a spot in his or her raffle.

Kevin
 
Suggestion

One rule I think should be in place is that the owner of the cue or case to be raffled should not be able to buy a spot in his or her raffle.

Kevin
 
classiccues said:
After the last cluster**** with a recent maybe there should be a set of guidelines discussed by the members. www.megamillions.com and www.powerball.com are the two sites that are the drawing devices. Do the participants HAVE to be AZ members? I think there was an issue at one time. If not, should it be noted that outside interests may participate? Or do we just encourage them to joint, WTF right, it's free.

Insurace or "raffle" savers should be publicly posted. Why? Because if someone that is not on the up and up wins and doesn't honor his saver offer I would fear retaliation, to the seller, to paypal similar to the BPG incident. Which would be unfair to the seller since they are not at fault here.

Any ideas? Thoughts? Maybe make a rules sticky?

JV
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You should definitely be a member here. Savers (savors?) ground rules do need to be set.
 
From experience as a raffler and as a participant, I would like to see the raffle go off as soon as possible. However, in light of the recent bs about an unfair raffle, I think it's paramount that the raffler post when the raffle will take place. If that means waiting an extra drawing, so be it.

As previously mentioned, since we are doing a raffle on AZ, the only participants should be AZ members. That keeps the raffler from saying a guy at the ph wants 2 spots. If that spot hits, do we really know if that was a guy at the ph or indeed the raffler?

Spots in the raffle should only be filled by replying in the thread for all to see.

Posting a link or not to the lottery used doesn't matter to me since I'n a stone cold gambler:grin: , but for those that are not lottery players, it would be good idea.


So, here is what I normally do to cover my a$$ against sore losers crying foul:

  • I accurately and completely describe the item being raffled.
  • I list the cost per spot in the raffle and the number of spots available. If there is a discount for buying multiple spots, list the discounted price.
  • I post tons of quality pictures.
  • I list what lottery I am using and post a link to the website for members to check the drawing.
  • I post a list of spots available and be diligent in updating the spots that are filled. Also, as soon as someone has paid for their spot, I make a note on the list that they have paid.
  • I make sure I have a time limit set in the description as to how long the spot will be held after all the spots are full. Again, everyone wants a speedy raffle. My personal limit is 2 days after all spots are full. If no payment has been received in that timeframe, then it's available again.
  • I only accept paypal for payment. Quick and easy. You are allowed to pay at any time and have 2 days from once all spots are filled to make your payment.
  • Once all spots are filled and paid for by registered members of AZ and I have updated the list to show everyone has paid, I will post a date for the raffle for everyone to see. I use to first available drawing after everyone has paid.
  • When the drawing takes place, I post the winner of the raffle in the thread. I congratulate the winner and thank everyone that participated by giving them some green rep.
  • I pm the winner and get their shipping information. I package the item up as best I can and in a manner that I would want the item shipped to me if I had won. At a minimum, I ship the item by priority mail, fully insured, with signature confirmation at no additional cost to the winner.
  • End of a successful raffle! :)

Kelly
 
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Gutshot,
All good points. I would rather see the drawing be the drawing immediately following the final payment. Even if the payment comes 15 minutes before the lottery drawing.

JV
 
I absoultely agree! The first available drawing after all the spots have been paid should be used. It makes it rough when you run close to a drawing date or someone pays right before the drawing and you do not have enough time to update the thread. It's even harder on weekends when people are travelling or have other commitments away from home.

In those cases, the raffler need to update the thread as soon as humanly possibly and make everyone aware when the final payment was received. When it gets close to having everyone marked as paid, the participants can easily guage when the raffle will take place.

In the end, you have to trust the raffler.

Kelly
 
gutshot said:
I absoultely agree! The first available drawing after all the spots have been paid should be used. It makes it rough when you run close to a drawing date or someone pays right before the drawing and you do not have enough time to update the thread. It's even harder on weekends when people are travelling or have other commitments away from home.

In those cases, the raffler need to update the thread as soon as humanly possibly and make everyone aware when the final payment was received. When it gets close to having everyone marked as paid, the participants can easily guage when the raffle will take place.

In the end, you have to trust the raffler.

Kelly
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Exactly, 15 min before a raffle is not gonna work for all the sellers.
You need to set it at least 2 hrs before the raffle, which would be fair to everyone, and give everyone a chance to see it before the drawing is made.
One of the excuses pimp gave on his raffle was that he was to busy to watch his raffle before the drawing. So one of the rules for sellers should be, if your to busy to manage and update your own raffle, then dont start one.

Another rule that hasnt been mentioned should be to send everyone on the list a PM after the raffle is filled. Some of these raffles could last for weeks, and people will forget they are in it.
 
joeboxer said:
Exactly, 15 min before a raffle is not gonna work for all the sellers.
You need to set it at least 2 hrs before the raffle, which would be fair to everyone, and give everyone a chance to see it before the drawing is made.
One of the excuses pimp gave on his raffle was that he was to busy to watch his raffle before the drawing. So one of the rules for sellers should be, if your to busy to manage and update your own raffle, then dont start one.

Another rule that hasnt been mentioned should be to send everyone on the list a PM after the raffle is filled. Some of these raffles could last for weeks, and people will forget they are in it.
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I disagree to a point. If I put in the description once the raffle is paid it will be the following powerball, that is it, period. There is NO way to cheat, I am sorry but it cannot be rigged. When the numbers are spoken for and paid, there is no chance to fix the drawing.

As far as notification, again, it's a public posting. Check back and see if it's filler or not. Next people will be asking for hourly pm updates, and that ain't happening. But if you think the raffle is a few week affair, then you should try and update it as much as possible.

JV
 
just wondering why someone cant get spot in their own raffle? as long as they follow the rules of posting when the raffle will take place, whats the difference? the odds are still the same for everyone else
 
burns420 said:
just wondering why someone cant get spot in their own raffle? as long as they follow the rules of posting when the raffle will take place, whats the difference? the odds are still the same for everyone else
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Well if you want a spot in your own raffle have a friend buy it. lol I agree with it in principle that if you win it, you look bad. BUT I also agree that you cannot fix it, it's totally random so what is the big deal.

I think it's your own ethical conundrum. If you know you are making 500 on the cue and you take that and pick tickets, and you win, I don't know if I could claim the cue, to be honest.

JV
 
I agree, it's nothing that anybody can dupe. I also agree that it's just bad form for people to buy a spot in their own raffle - bad form, but it still can't be fixed.
#1 for me is that it's too bad something rather simple for the majority has to be complicated by a relative few nits.
If you buy a no win scratch off ticket at the local gas station do you spend the next week picketing the joint over who screwed you and how?
 
classiccues said:
Well if you want a spot in your own raffle have a friend buy it. lol I agree with it in principle that if you win it, you look bad. BUT I also agree that you cannot fix it, it's totally random so what is the big deal.

I think it's your own ethical conundrum. If you know you are making 500 on the cue and you take that and pick tickets, and you win, I don't know if I could claim the cue, to be honest.

JV
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I don't necessarily agree that you shouldn't be allowed to buy spots in your own raffle......what if you decide after several days or a week or whatever that you are tired of dealing with all the emails, posts, etc and you want to move foreward and hold the raffle [Not Cancel the Raffle ] and HAVE A WINNER!?

I think that having a cutoff time on any potential raffle day for getting payments in should be posted -- like 6 p.m. PST -- it allows enough time for the seller to post the raffle is on and, for the partcipants to know whether the raffle is ON or OFF.

Unfortunately, you are still going to have to trust the seller to hold a fair raffle. So having a posted cutoff well before the drawing time is necessary, this is where the rub comes in if you own any tickets in your own raffle.

As long as the seller posts the device for picking the number Mega or Powerball I don't know that it's necessary to have a link but, it's easy enough to cut and paste that too :grin-square:
 
Kevin Lindstrom said:
One rule I think should be in place is that the owner of the cue or case to be raffled should not be able to buy a spot in his or her raffle.

Kevin
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I agree with you. Makes no sense.
 
I am glad to see Classic to open a thread like this and set some rules on raffles. A sticky is a must here with the appropriate setup. This thread will show the guidelines. Well done mate.
 
Another Suggestion.....

One thing I wish would not happen is for the raffler to REFUND the winning number his spot back?:angry:

I mean, Good God, he just beat out the rest of the field!!!:bash:

Let me hear any opinions on this one!!
 
BigDaddy said:
One thing I wish would not happen is for the raffler to REFUND the winning number his spot back?:angry:

I mean, Good God, he just beat out the rest of the field!!!:bash:

Let me hear any opinions on this one!!
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That one is a no brainer. I fully agree.
 
mdavis228 said:
I agree, it's nothing that anybody can dupe. I also agree that it's just bad form for people to buy a spot in their own raffle - bad form, but it still can't be fixed.
#1 for me is that it's too bad something rather simple for the majority has to be complicated by a relative few nits.
If you buy a no win scratch off ticket at the local gas station do you spend the next week picketing the joint over who screwed you and how?
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I could guess on two people that probably wouldn't think twice of picketing a gas station if they lose. :)

JV
 
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