Rare cue on ebay.

justnick said:
I asked Laurie Franklin if he ever worked for Southwest,She said he never did..

Nick
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You asked her at 4:00 in the morning?? Maybe rare was the wrong word to use. I just don't see very many Les Blevins cues.
 
Vonn31 said:
You asked her at 4:00 in the morning?? Maybe rare was the wrong word to use. I just don't see very many Les Blevins cues.
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No it was around 11:00 am...A while ago..

Nick
 
Szambushka said:
LOL this is another great auction thats uses South West to sell inferior products. Les never worked for them. They don't play like a SW, they only look similar. In fact I see alot of South West comparisons on ebay listings, "plays just like a South West", thats gotta be the second biggest selling line next to "its the best playing cue I ever owned." Because if either of these were true, you wouldn't be selling the cue in the first place.

Here is a cue buying tip.. just because its flat faced, phenilic jointed cue with a big pin doesn't make it hit anything like a SW. This includes Coker, Gilbert, PFD, Weston(s), Mottey etc.. you want the hit of a South West you need to buy a South West.
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Not true. There are lots of cues that hit just like a Southwest, and lots of Southwests that don't. Southwest, if you don't recall, started as a ripoff cueline themselves.
 
SphinxnihpS said:
Not true. There are lots of cues that hit just like a Southwest, and lots of Southwests that don't. Southwest, if you don't recall, started as a ripoff cueline themselves.
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Really? This is odd because the story I have always been told is they were started by Jerry with HELP from Kersenbrock. Hard to rip someone off if they gave the ok isn't it? I believe thats like saying Hercek "ripped off" Spain but we all know thats not the case.

BTW cue hit being very subjective, if you want a SW hit, Szam is right, you buy a SW. You wan't a Szamboti hit what you think you buy a Schon? LOL

Joe
 
Szambushka said:
LOL this is another great auction thats uses South West to sell inferior products. Les never worked for them. They don't play like a SW, they only look similar. In fact I see alot of South West comparisons on ebay listings, "plays just like a South West", thats gotta be the second biggest selling line next to "its the best playing cue I ever owned." Because if either of these were true, you wouldn't be selling the cue in the first place.

Here is a cue buying tip.. just because its flat faced, phenilic jointed cue with a big pin doesn't make it hit anything like a SW. This includes Coker, Gilbert, PFD, Weston(s), Mottey etc.. you want the hit of a South West you need to buy a South West.
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LOL, Great Post, I could not agree more!!!

Jim

Buyer Beware!
 
JimBo said:
LOL, Great Post, I could not agree more!!!

Jim

Buyer Beware!
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Drives like a BMW. :p
Once, a nephew of a maker from AZ was in town here selling his uncle's cues. He tells everyone his uncle's cues hit like SW's.
Sure they do. Never mind that they were much skinnier and whippier than SW. They still hit like a SW. Hell, half of them were cored, but they still hit like SW's of course.
 
classiccues said:
Really? This is odd because the story I have always been told is they were started by Jerry with HELP from Kersenbrock. Hard to rip someone off if they gave the ok isn't it? I believe thats like saying Hercek "ripped off" Spain but we all know thats not the case.

BTW cue hit being very subjective, if you want a SW hit, Szam is right, you buy a SW. You wan't a Szamboti hit what you think you buy a Schon? LOL

Joe
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I don't mean rip-off in the sense of stolen. I seriously doubt you could copyright any pool cue design, so it's ludicrous to think that's even what I meant. What I meant was simply that Southwests and Kershenbrocks are identical or nearly identical in look and proportion. I have no clue whether David gave Jerry permission to use his designs or not. I suspect he did, as David told Joey Gold everything he knew about making cues. David Kershenbrock however is/was (is he still even alive), a complete nutcase, and therefore liable to do anything. On that score WHO CARES!

My main point was this. You can take 100 Southwests and hit with them all. By and large they will have an overall different feel to them from a similar set of 100 cues from say Schon or Cognoscenti, or whoever so long as their well built cues, but they will all feel slightly different, and some of the Southwests will feel Schons, and vice versa.

If you were to take 10 cues by various manufacturers and hit with them all blindfolded, you will have a very difficult time telling them apart.

If you take the same 10 cues and hit with them all 3 months later, you will find that some of them feel different than you remembered because of the properties of natural materials which comprise them.

Put different shafts on them and that can change everything. The feel of a hit of a cue is 89% shaft, 10% ferrule/tip, and 1% cue (if any).
 
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Whenever I hear a relatively new cue maker offering his cues for sale as "having a Southwest like hit." I'm always thinking to myself "why don't these guys quit hiding behind the Southwest standard and have the balls enough to say that they "hit the way I make them." It's a total lack of pride for a cue maker to be advertising his cues to have the hit of another cue. C'mon guys, don't be afraid to admitt that your cues don't hit like a Southwest because not every player in the world thinks that Southwest are the best hitting cues out there. Some of these makers might be suprised to find customers out there looking for that "#*&^$ like hit."
dave
 
Tokyo-dave said:
Whenever I hear a relatively new cue maker offering his cues for sale as "having a Southwest like hit." I'm always thinking to myself "why don't these guys quit hiding behind the Southwest standard and have the balls enough to say that they "hit the way I make them." It's a total lack of pride for a cue maker to be advertising his cues to have the hit of another cue. C'mon guys, don't be afraid to admitt that your cues don't hit like a Southwest because not every player in the world thinks that Southwest are the best hitting cues out there. Some of these makers might be suprised to find customers out there looking for that "#*&^$ like hit."
dave
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The above Post is well Stated


As for the Cue that is F/S on e-bay it appear to be a SouthWest Style Design like a Coke, Capone, BCM, etc.

Who all do SouthWest Style DESIGNS.

If it is not a SouthWest, it is not a SouthWest. Just a FSAUX SouthWest.... :p
 
Sw Hit

I have owned and played with many SW and they don't all hit hte same. I feel it has a lot to do with the shaft wood,tip & ferrule.
 
Szambushka said:
LOL this is another great auction thats uses South West to sell inferior products.
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I've played with a Blevins for about 10 years. The hit is very close to that of a Southwest. I've seen this story about Les working with Jerry F. before, but not sure where it started. Les actually learned the trade mostly from Joe Blackburn.(so I'm told) They both lived in the Ashland,Ky area before Joe re-located to JOB's. People may not like the comparison to the Southwest, but in this case, I'd say that the description would be fair. The only thing about this cue that's inferior to Southwest, is the demand for the cues. Had Les not stopped making cues, I'd say that he could've been close to Richard Harris as far as demand for his cues. JMO
 
you are right about joe teaching him.also i have seen and played with several and the workmanship is not nearly as good as southwest.i am not a big fan of the southwest hit but i must admit their workmanship is almost always flawless.in my opinion the two cues can only be compared on looks.
 
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SphinxnihpS said:
Not true. There are lots of cues that hit just like a Southwest, and lots of Southwests that don't. Southwest, if you don't recall, started as a ripoff cueline themselves.
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This is true--each cuemakers cues dont his similar sometimes--types of wood etc. Franklin and Kersenbrock were partners supposedly from someone I met in passing who know Dave personally and Jerry bought Dave out and then SW blew up leaving K out a lot of K.
 
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