Rasson Table Setup at Mosconi Cup

[pinkspider]

She's a spitter. Just have to accept she doesnt swallow easy and play your cards right.

I would think that pros would not take these things for granted and assess what shots the pockets will accept.

As much as the players at the MC have our sympathies, at some point we have to stop blaming the pocket for not being like the ones they're used to unless there's a prior stipulation to adhere to an agreed set of specifications. If not where does it end? are they going to bring dehumidifiers and hygrometers to ensure the humidity is within the range of conditions that they trained in?

 

[one stroke]

She's a spitter. Just have to accept she doesnt swallow easy and play your cards right.

I would think that pros would not take these things for granted and assess what shots the pockets will accept.

As much as the players at the MC have our sympathies, at some point we have to stop blaming the pocket for not being like the ones they're used to unless there's a prior stipulation to adhere to an agreed set of specifications. If not where does it end? are they going to bring dehumidifiers and hygrometers to ensure the humidity is within the range of conditions that they trained in?

I have been told over and over again by pro and top level players anytime I complained they want the hardest conditions and I need to learn to adjust as they do.. don't see any Euro fans *****ing ,,they missed ball that never came close to the pocket hell they missed hitting the ball at all , they failed on upteen safes time and time again that have zero to do with the table ,,
the fact is they are getting out played in every facet of the game period

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[realkingcobra]

probably because Rasson gave them a better deal that Diamond.

There's no deal to be made with the casino, the table providers have to BUY the rights from the event in ordsr to have their table used!!

 

[briankenobi]

There's no deal to be made with the casino, the table providers have to BUY the rights from the event in ordsr to have their table used!!

That is what I was saying. Rasson probably offered more money to have their tables used for the event. That would be a better deal for the promoters, which is what I said in the first place.

 

[crabbcatjohn]

That is what I was saying. Rasson probably offered more money to have their tables used for the event. That would be a better deal for the promoters, which is what I said in the first place.

They are also tables the Euros are very accustomed too..

 

[GB Basher]

They are also tables the Euros are very accustomed too..

Europeans don't play on them hardly either!

 

[td873]

My $0.02.

1) Both teams play on the same table.
2) The middle of the pocket isn't impacted by bad setup.
3) If your team shoots cleaner, less balls will hang.

-td

 

[ChrisinNC]

I agree the way the table is playing does not look correct. The shelf drop looks like it is simply too deep in relation to the pocket openings.

Way back in 2003 when the Mosconi Cup first came to Vegas I had a chance to chat with the mechanic who'd setup the Brunswick Gold Crown they were using back then. I asked him how tight the pockets were and he just laughed and said "5.25 inches - No one wants to pay to see these guys missing all their shots". I guess standards have changed quite a bit since those days.

It seems that if you have a spare $5.5K in ready money and you really want to know what they did you can buy one of the 3 tables used (Presumably the other two are for each team to practice on) on Craigslist:

https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/sgd/d/pro-9ft-rasson-pool-table/6413347575.html

My initial point was not the depth of the shelf, but that because the rail system was not squared up properly, the shelf depth on one side of the pocket is different than the other side of the pocket. If you zoom in on the table overhead view, it is very evident on the top right corner pocket.

No question, any accurate shot coming in to the pocket from any angle will still drop, but a shot not accurate may be more likely to drop on one side of the pocket than the other, or differ between the 4 corners. Just unacceptable for this table one table used for this event.

 

[ROB.M]

Table

The Euros are used to playing on dynamic tables " gold crown " copy...



Rob.M

 

[garczar]

That is what I was saying. Rasson probably offered more money to have their tables used for the event. That would be a better deal for the promoters, which is what I said in the first place.

This deal is (and always has been) Barry Hearn's show. He is a marketing/promotion genius and whatever table maker waves the most $$$$ in his face gets the contract. Same thing with Darren's WPS, Rasson obviously offered the most money to be the featured table brand. Remember back when nobody thought Chinese cues would ever sell here? Rasson looks to be targeting the US market no doubt.

 

[chefjeff]

Why so many jumped balls off the table?


I thinking that maybe:

The rails are wrapped too tight so the points are lower than they're supposed to be?

And that tight wrapping turns the pockets into snooker-like spit outs.

The slate is thicker and jump shots go higher than normal?



I'm just guessing and asking.


Jeff Livingston

 

[ChrisinNC]

This deal is (and always has been) Barry Hearn's show. He is a marketing/promotion genius and whatever table maker waves the most $$$$ in his face gets the contract. Same thing with Darren's WPS, Rasson obviously offered the most money to be the featured table brand. Remember back when nobody thought Chinese cues would ever sell here? Rasson looks to be targeting the US market no doubt.

Yeah, I'm surprised they're not using Asian made Cyclop balls for this event.

 

[pt109]

Why so many jumped balls off the table?


I thinking that maybe:

The rails are wrapped too tight so the points are lower than they're supposed to be?

And that tight wrapping turns the pockets into snooker-like spit outs.

The slate is thicker and jump shots go higher than normal?



I'm just guessing and asking.


Jeff Livingston

Thicker slate makes it easier to send the balls airborn.
Tight cloth makes the rails deader, so that is not the problem.
...but if the contact point on the cushion nose is too low,,,you need a parachute.

 

[chefjeff]

Thicker slate makes it easier to send the balls airborn.
Tight cloth makes the rails deader, so that is not the problem.
...but if the contact point on the cushion nose is too low,,,you need a parachute.

Here in the league mecca that's our town, some of the mechanics stretch the cloth very very tight around the side pockets instead of folding it under the cushions and that turns those into snooker pockets, essentially. I asked a mech about that and he said they look nicer that way. He didn't give a crap about how they played.

Take a closer look if you can at the rails on this table....they look very similar to that. And yes, that will cause a ball that is slightly jumping when hitting the cushion to go off the table.

I'm probably wrong, but that's what it looks like to me...I mean, just how many jumped balls should there be when pros are playing??? I don't see that many in league play!



Jeff, maple syrup is an invasive species, Livingston

 

[pt109]

Here in the league mecca that's our town, some of the mechanics stretch the cloth very very tight around the side pockets instead of folding it under the cushions and that turns those into snooker pockets, essentially. I asked a mech about that and he said they look nicer that way. He didn't give a crap about how they played.

Take a closer look if you can at the rails on this table....they look very similar to that. And yes, that will cause a ball that is slightly jumping when hitting the cushion to go off the table.

I'm probably wrong, but that's what it looks like to me...I mean, just how many jumped balls should there be when pros are playing??? I don't see that many in league play!

Jeff, maple syrup is an invasive species, Livingston

I remember PROLINE tables...the contact point was too low and a hard bank could
hurt a spectator.
Doubling the cloth at the side pockets does deaden the hit..making balls fall.
I'd like to have RKC examine the table and get the real low-down.

pt...replying to Jeff-I think I saw a tree 100 miles back-Livingston