Ratings what's your take on it?

[PlynSets]

Seems like everyone also has a different opinion about what an A,B,C,D should be able to do?

Just curious as to if there is some definition of this?

My own personal definitions of them (Just from being around pool halls for years)

D - Just picked up a Cue, maybe makes one or two balls
C - (broadest range) On average can put together a 2 or 3 ball run out. The higher end of C's have ran a rack or two and are starting to understand the basics of the game. They can occasionally get out if the rack i right.
B - If you leave them an out they usually get out, or run to a safe.. Occasionally kicks balls in and then runs out.
A - If there's an out to be had, there out.. If you hook em, there's a 30 - 40 percent chance there going to kick it in and get out, or a 50 - 70 percent chance there going to kick you right back into a safe. Characterized by the fact they usually have no $$ in there pocket. Point in fact when you start playing if you ask them "flip for break" they usually respond with "Sure gotta a coin?" LOL..
AA - Whips on A player ass all day long.. Have some natural gift for the game, and are a total anomoly.. World beaters in othe words. Can go anywhere and play anyone and have odds on winning.

These about right? Or do they vary from hall to hall? State to state?

DJ

 

[CaptainJR]

That isn't the discription I've seen on here before. It sounds about right, sort of but not accually. The one I'm thinking of that I think is more standard and accepted goes into it a little more in detail. For example, (this is no quote, just making it up) it might say, 'can get out from the 5, 8 times out of 10'. etc etc.


Someone on here knows where to find this, not me though.

 

[Jaden]

Seems like everyone also has a different opinion about what an A,B,C,D should be able to do?

Just curious as to if there is some definition of this?

My own personal definitions of them (Just from being around pool halls for years)

D - Just picked up a Cue, maybe makes one or two balls
C - (broadest range) On average can put together a 2 or 3 ball run out. The higher end of C's have ran a rack or two and are starting to understand the basics of the game. They can occasionally get out if the rack i right.
B - If you leave them an out they usually get out, or run to a safe.. Occasionally kicks balls in and then runs out.
A - If there's an out to be had, there out.. If you hook em, there's a 30 - 40 percent chance there going to kick it in and get out, or a 50 - 70 percent chance there going to kick you right back into a safe. Characterized by the fact they usually have no $$ in there pocket. Point in fact when you start playing if you ask them "flip for break" they usually respond with "Sure gotta a coin?" LOL..
AA - Whips on A player ass all day long.. Have some natural gift for the game, and are a total anomoly.. World beaters in othe words. Can go anywhere and play anyone and have odds on winning.

These about right? Or do they vary from hall to hall? State to state?

DJ

What you've just decribed would be right for SD, but I think that a lot of places would label it a bit differently. Hell, in orange county they break up the A rating into twelve smaller categories actually thirteen if you count a 1 A.

 

[PlynSets]

What you've just decribed would be right for SD, but I think that a lot of places would label it a bit differently. Hell, in orange county they break up the A rating into twelve smaller categories actually thirteen if you count a 1 A.

Are you talking about Danny K's? Becuase to my knowledge they don't even have B's n C's.. Everyone starts out as an A, AA, AAA, AAAA, AAAAAA etc...

Weird system. I don't even remember how many A's I was up there last time I played there, but I remember thinking WTF?? LOL I'm better then Effren?

DJ

 

[Snapshot9]

We don't rate like that ...

Whenever we run across someone talking like that, we usually have to convert from a normal 2-12 speed scale for 9 ball. For example here,
Tony Fargo, Gabe Owen, James Walden are 12's. With letters, you get
into all the + and -'s, or AA stuff.

My personal rating system, especially used for matching up in money matches, is to rate with numbers to 1 decimal place, i.e., 5.5, 7.3, 9.4, etc..
and if necessary, extending to 2 decimals because of 2 players being so
close to each other. So, if you have 2 9's matching up, 1 might be a 9.7 and the other a 9.2, and they were playing even, you would side bet on the 9.7.

If the 9.2 was getting the called 8 ball, you would have to figure that in too. AND my ratings are not based on a tournament rating scale, mine are based on a player MONEY BALL scale, they ARE NOT the same thing.

I play a lot of guys that are the same as me in tournaments, but want the break and 8 ball before they would match up with me for money.

See what I mean, before all these ravaged rating systems came into effect, a number scale like the mentioned above was used, and to me, is the easiest to use. By the way, when Cliff Joyner was here, he was an
11 in 9 ball, along with Jack Hynes (before he got banned ... lol).
We all decided though, that Efren would have to be a 15, by unamimous
vote ... lol

 

[Jaden]

Are you talking about Danny K's? Becuase to my knowledge they don't even have B's n C's.. Everyone starts out as an A, AA, AAA, AAAA, AAAAAA etc...

Weird system. I don't even remember how many A's I was up there last time I played there, but I remember thinking WTF?? LOL I'm better then Effren?

DJ

No they have B's, they're just all scared away from the tournament, and any new players they start out as a 1 or 2 A because they have a lot of hustlers that come in.

 

[Andrew Manning]

Seems like everyone also has a different opinion about what an A,B,C,D should be able to do?

Just curious as to if there is some definition of this?

My own personal definitions of them (Just from being around pool halls for years)

D - Just picked up a Cue, maybe makes one or two balls
C - (broadest range) On average can put together a 2 or 3 ball run out. The higher end of C's have ran a rack or two and are starting to understand the basics of the game. They can occasionally get out if the rack i right.
B - If you leave them an out they usually get out, or run to a safe.. Occasionally kicks balls in and then runs out.
A - If there's an out to be had, there out.. If you hook em, there's a 30 - 40 percent chance there going to kick it in and get out, or a 50 - 70 percent chance there going to kick you right back into a safe. Characterized by the fact they usually have no $$ in there pocket. Point in fact when you start playing if you ask them "flip for break" they usually respond with "Sure gotta a coin?" LOL..
AA - Whips on A player ass all day long.. Have some natural gift for the game, and are a total anomoly.. World beaters in othe words. Can go anywhere and play anyone and have odds on winning.

These about right? Or do they vary from hall to hall? State to state?

DJ

I think D is a broader range than you have here. I'd say they range from someone who just picked up a cue to someone who can fairly regulary run 4 or 5 balls, but very rarely runs a whole rack.

C players can be as good as what you call B.

With B players it's not if they can get out, it's how many times out of 10 will they mess up the out. Against a B player, you should be very concerned if you leave them a shot and no clusters without obvious break-out shots, even if all you did was break.

A players I guess are about what you describe.

AA players are A players who can bring out their best game more consistently, and thus are the ones actually winning the regional tournaments.

The world-beaters you speak of are what I call pros.

-Andrew

 

[metal5d]

How would BCA ratings transfer to A-D?

 

[supergreenman]

How would BCA ratings transfer to A-D?

Using your rating in BCA might not be all that accurate depending on the whether or not you league is divisionalized. For instance a 7.65 in an undivisionalized league would most likely be stronger than someone with a 7.65 in division 3 of a 4 division league and a 7.65 in division 1 would be stronger than both of the previous two.

 

[Cameron Smith]

If you hook em, there's a 30 - 40 percent chance there going to kick it in and get out, or a 50 - 70 percent chance there going to kick you right back into a safe.

Holy Crap! Who the hell does that!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

lol, I think you over estimate kicking abilities of good amateurs, or even pros. I can kick in a ball fairly consistently if its close to a pocket (3 or 4 inches max), but I don't think there are many who have the control that you describe. I certainly have never seen it on tv or at a tournament.

 

[sjm]

A - If there's an out to be had, there out.. If you hook em, there's a 30 - 40 percent chance there going to kick it in and get out

My guess would be that an "A" player will run out less than 5% of the times they come to the table snookered.

I doubt even Efren gets out much more than 10% of the times he comes to the table snookered.

 

[PopAndSlop]

C - Beginner
B - Novice
A - Amatuer
AA - Advanced
AAA - Expert
Semi-Pro
Professional

These are the way it is devided here in Quebec
From AAA to Pro the only difference is who will run out more often and how much money they play for.

 

[StormHotRod300]

Heres how i see ratings going.

D = APA 2/3 can make a couple balls if the shot is easy, but has no idea where the CB will end up.

C = APA 4 Has some CB control and given a easy table could run out.

B = APA 5/6/7 Can run a rack when the table is open, has decent CB control, can break out clusters most of the time, and plays decent safes.

A = APA 8/9 Runs racks fairly often or plays good safes, has excellent CB control, and good all around skills in breaking clusters, banks and kicking.

AA = Semi-pro & Same as the A player but better, and generally can put together 2-4 racks at a time, and when at the table is in control of the game unless he misses a shot.

Open = PRO Players

 

[Gerry]

yea, but what about the SHORTSTOPS?.....


I'm just kiddin!!!.......couldn't resist...

Gerry

 

[CaptainJR]

Here is the ratings I was talking about above. I copied it from Tom In Cincy's post dated 03-31-2004


Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

In a race to 7, 9 ball.

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win

 

[PlynSets]

Here is the ratings I was talking about above. I copied it from Tom In Cincy's post dated 03-31-2004


Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

In a race to 7, 9 ball.

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win

That's definately a good guide to go by.. Seems like every hall down here has a little different "twist" on what makes an A or a B etc.. That's a nice guideline. I think I'll print it out and give it to the local TD.

DJ

 

[PlynSets]

Holy Crap! Who the hell does that!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

lol, I think you over estimate kicking abilities of good amateurs, or even pros. I can kick in a ball fairly consistently if its close to a pocket (3 or 4 inches max), but I don't think there are many who have the control that you describe. I certainly have never seen it on tv or at a tournament.

Maybe this is one of those "different areas" so different expectations kinda thing.. My %'s might be high, but I don't believe to be unreasonable? Part of being an "A" around here anyways is being able to control both the object ball and some level of control on the cueball on a kick shot.. I a "B" after all and I don't find kick shots to intimadating? I can usually kick and with some level of control leave them about where I want, and or kick it in and run out?

Very rarely do I miss the whole ball unless I'm trying to "cut" a ball from some long distance?


DJ

 

[Alex Kanapilly]

Maybe this is one of those "different areas" so different expectations kinda thing.. My %'s might be high, but I don't believe to be unreasonable? Part of being an "A" around here anyways is being able to control both the object ball and some level of control on the cueball on a kick shot.. I a "B" after all and I don't find kick shots to intimadating? I can usually kick and with some level of control leave them about where I want, and or kick it in and run out?

Very rarely do I miss the whole ball unless I'm trying to "cut" a ball from some long distance?


DJ

I'm with Cameron here, I kick ok too but those number are high. If you're kicking and getting out that much, you're off the charts good at it. You must also not be getting "locked up" too often.

Alex