Re-stretch results with 860

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march11934

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I'll get the question out of the way first. How much material should you be able to get out of a re-stretch ? I just got about 1 1/2 inches of material past the bottom edge of the table. The felt was trimmed even with the end of the table when it was originally covered with new 860 Simonis. It has been a little over a year that the table was covered and I have been playing on it almost every day. When i finished stretching it out the cloth is 1 1/2 inches longer.

Reason i re-stretched it? To friggin slow. I play in a hall that the tables just flow. I found out that the tables are covered in 760. Which adds to the difference in speed between their tables and mine. Plus I noticed that the cloth didn't move at all when you pushed it and my table would bunch up with little effort. WTF? The amount of adjustment I had to make from my table to the tournament table was just too much.
 
march11934 said:
I'll get the question out of the way first. How much material should you be able to get out of a re-stretch ? I just got about 1 1/2 inches of material past the bottom edge of the table. The felt was trimmed even with the end of the table when it was originally covered with new 860 Simonis. It has been a little over a year that the table was covered and I have been playing on it almost every day. When i finished stretching it out the cloth is 1 1/2 inches longer.

Reason i re-stretched it? To friggin slow. I play in a hall that the tables just flow. I found out that the tables are covered in 760. Which adds to the difference in speed between their tables and mine. Plus I noticed that the cloth didn't move at all when you pushed it and my table would bunch up with little effort. WTF? The amount of adjustment I had to make from my table to the tournament table was just too much.
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If you got that much more stretch out of your cloth, then it wasn't installed tight in the first place, so what you did was finish stretching the cloth, which should have been done in the first place. Now, in the event that you had the cloth on tight the first time, and it came loose, then I suspect cleaning the cloth with a wet rag had something to do with it getting loose.

Glen
 
Thanks for your time RKC. The only cleaning that I did on the table was brushing and an occasional spray with the felt cleaner I was given when I bought the table from the owner. The cleaner is a sort of foamy cleaner that reminds me of the glass cleaners I used when I used to do glass work. In an aerosol can and just kind of floats on the top of the cloth is a foam. Pulls a lot of chalk off of the cloth though. Maybe I should stop using it. Ran out of it anyway.
 
Misting the cloth with a spray bottle makes it loosen up and you can stretch it more that way. Of course it shrinks and gets real tight. A billiard mechanic in Boston showed me that one. Mazin Shooni, not sure I spelled his name right
 
OTLB said:
Misting the cloth with a spray bottle makes it loosen up and you can stretch it more that way. Of course it shrinks and gets real tight. A billiard mechanic in Boston showed me that one. Mazin Shooni, not sure I spelled his name right
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Interesting. I learned a similar technique installing carpet with hot water. The guys would lay the carpet out in the room and then flip half the carpet back and splash HOT water on the backing. Then dot eh same with the other side. Booting the carpet out took half the effort and when it dried it would shrink back and get even tighter. The tighter the better with carpet. It lasts longer. Prevents the backing form breaking down.
Wish i had learned that when i started the trade. Blew both knees shortly after I learned the hot water technique. Just wasted knowledge now...
Good talking to ya
 
OTLB said:
Misting the cloth with a spray bottle makes it loosen up and you can stretch it more that way. Of course it shrinks and gets real tight. A billiard mechanic in Boston showed me that one. Mazin Shooni, not sure I spelled his name right
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BS...LOL moisture makes cloth lose it's stretch, not shrink...LMAO HEAT makes cloth shrink!!! If you don't trust that fact, take a hot iron to a table cloth sometime and see what happens...LMAO

Glen

PS. Burt, who owns Harvey's Billiards Pool Hall in Renton, WA use to spray bottle wet the bed cloths on the tables before he stretched the cloth. He could stretch Simonis 760 6" wide when installing it, thinking that would make it tight as hell....WRONG!!! When the cloth gets wet, it alows the fibers of the weave of the cloth to slide on each other, alowing for more stretch, but the result of that is that there is no longer any rubber band effect to the weave of the cloth, so in the end...it just lays there on the slate lifeless, meaning when you slide your fingers on the cloth, it wrinkles up in front of your fingers with just a little bit of pressure, and lays back down when you lift your hand....lifeless, and loose!!!

Question for you. Since wool is sheep fur, and when the sheep get wet, do they shrink up, do their belly buttons get closer to their back bone? And nylon is actually oil based, and they make fishing string out of it, and also use it when making Simonis Cloth...if I cast my line in the water and catch a fish....should I reel in the fish, or wait until the nylon fishing string shrinks from being wet...and catch the fish when it shrinks up enough to bring the fish to the surface of the water....lmfao

Glen
 
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march11934 said:
Interesting. I learned a similar technique installing carpet with hot water. The guys would lay the carpet out in the room and then flip half the carpet back and splash HOT water on the backing. Then dot eh same with the other side. Booting the carpet out took half the effort and when it dried it would shrink back and get even tighter. The tighter the better with carpet. It lasts longer. Prevents the backing form breaking down.
Wish i had learned that when i started the trade. Blew both knees shortly after I learned the hot water technique. Just wasted knowledge now...
Good talking to ya
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HOT water shrinks cotton, cotton is used to make carpet, good trick;)

Glen
 
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