Real World 8-ball Situation

Cornerman said:
I would hope that a high percentage of reasonable 8-ball players would play the same shot. Safe on the 6-ball. Because he put me on the cushion, I had to hit with follow, so hitting the 6-ball far enough to get some kind of distance away from the 8-ball and trying ensure perfection behind the 7-ball would have been asking a lot considering I was pretty frustrated. But, I thought that if I really got unlucky and left him a look at the 9-ball, there wasn't a bank or a kick for him. This is the whole sequence. Scroll through the pages.

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He stared at the table for what seemed like 2 days before he shrugged his shoulders, licked the impossible shot, and even though balls were flying all over the place, he got the juiciest roll in the universe.

Fred <~~~ wishes he could play like that


8 ball is by far my best game and i'm getting better at it, with out a doubt I would shoot the shot above.
 
2 Ball

I'd shoot the 2 ball straight into the rail. Roll the cueball a ft or so, and play safe. I'd leave the 6 ball alone, and wait for him to open the pocket after kicking the 8 ball.
 
Cornerman said:
Did you have a point?
I think the point is simple. The guy got lucky and if your the better player u'l get him next time. No need to dwell on a lost game, especially it sounds like it was well out of your control.
 
Fred, he put me out in 4th in the same fashion. Seems he gained a head of steam after your match and he free-wheeled the same way, you could see that he had it in his head that if he was going out then he was going out swinging, and everything went in. He was in terrible position several times, one time having to carom the 8 ball in off my ball on the bottom rail, many 3/4 table length thin cuts (which you know on those tables were very difficult) but they all dropped. He was kind of playing 8 ball like he was in a 9 ball ring game and there is no "next time", just fire! LOL. But you know what, he made all those shots and beat me. I didn't stay for the finals, but if I had to guess Hopkins tied him up early to slow the train down and let him implode. Paul's dad was a great player so he does have a background, he is not without experience. He just decided at that point that it was his best strategy and it worked to get him second place.

Man did I struggle on that equipment LOL. Nice to see you and all the other guys.

Kev
 
chicagomike said:
I think the point is simple. The guy got lucky and if your the better player u'l get him next time. No need to dwell on a lost game, especially it sounds like it was well out of your control.
Absolutely correct. And, I apologize to anyone who thought that my main objective was to whine about his play and disparage him like that. That wasn't my intent, and I see myself getting caught up.

Miami beat up on New England in much the same fashion. I.e., they played a game that wasn't text book. Hopefully, my team gets them the next time.

Fred
 
selftaut said:
Fred, he put me out in 4th in the same fashion.

He was kind of playing 8 ball like he was in a 9 ball ring game and there is no "next time", just fire! LOL. But you know what, he made all those shots and beat me.
That's a good synopsis. And if I was in his shoes, I might do the same thing.

Well, in the end, good on him. He was a hell of a nice guy, and we'll see him next year.

Fred
 
He stared at the table for what seemed like 2 days before he shrugged his shoulders, licked the impossible shot, and even though balls were flying all over the place, he got the juiciest roll in the universe.

Fred <~~~ wishes he could play like that[/QUOTE]


Ooooh!! That's a tough one to swallow Fred and I feel your pain. I played a guy like that last night with the added frustration of him cursing every time the cue ball didn't get pinpoint where he would have liked even though it was obvious he had no clue where it was going.

I like to take the high road in these situations, though, and remind myself that this type of thing is what makes 8 ball so great and that these things even out in the long run. I'll remind myself that I got to the table so I did have a chance and if I had played the safe a little tighter I would have won. Not exactly fair but I like to remind myself that anyone can get lucky but the only game I have no chance in is an ERO.

A teammate had a lucky night also (a very good player) and was feeling a bit guilty (we play masters so you hate to luck out a win) but I reminded him of all the times the luck went the other way and that it was just his turn and so there was nothing to feel guilty about.

It goes both ways as I know you know. You'll get this guy next time.

Ed
 
Cornerman said:
This is the good and bad of the Cuetable. You just can't appreciate how difficult some of these shots are. Cuz if anyone thinks that my safety was somehow easy or that his shot was simply a "tough shot," then the table is failing to really show the shots.

I agree with you about his shot being absolutely ridiculous.

But if the diagram is accurate, it was an easy safe. Instead of hitting the ball full, a 3/4-ball hit, cutting the 6 slightly to your right, would have sent the CB to the rail and straight to the back of the 7, leaving it almost impossible for him to make a good hit:

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Hitting the ball full the way you did, it was tough to hook him. Cutting it a little and using the rail makes it very easy and high-percentage to put him on the back side of the 7.

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
I agree with you about his shot being absolutely ridiculous.

But if the diagram is accurate, it was an easy safe. Instead of hitting the ball full, a 3/4-ball hit, cutting the 6 slightly to your right, would have sent the CB to the rail and straight to the back of the 7, leaving it almost impossible for him to make a good hit:

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Hitting the ball full the way you did, it was tough to hook him. Cutting it a little and using the rail makes it very easy and high-percentage to put him on the back side of the 7.

-Andrew
I don't know if this one (getting behind the 7-ball) was easier. I remember looking at it but didnt' think I could control it. The balls must have laid slightly different. I might have been scared to execute it.

The other suggestion in a post above (RayDM) to go ahead and go behind the 5-ball seemed within grasp. I remember thinking that if the cueball leaked out above the 5-ball, he had a good swing at the 9-ball. If the cueball leaked out between the two balls 7 & 5, I was sure he didn't have a safety return even he could see the whole ball. So, I chose to hit full on the 6-ball and make sure the 6-ball got out so that I had a chance to run out. It's one of those that at the moment, the worst thing would have been if I nutted up and under hit the 6-ball and not get to a rail for a foul or leave the cueball below the 7-ball with more options for him.

Fred
 
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