recut points

[Ballistic Billiards]

Where do recuts fall into the grand scheme of cue making?

I'm interested in where they started and where everyone
thinks they're going.

I think they look great but I also think it's harder to make
veneers look really good.

I don't really know what the thicknesses are that are
most commonly used for veneers, .030 and .060 are
in my head for some reason. Could be for rings, I don't know.

Is it possible with recuts to get the same thicknesses that
you would commonly see in a veneered point?

I have one opinion that recuts take more work, which makes
sense, but is it harder?

Thanks for sharing your opinions
-cOOp

 

[rhncue]

Where do recuts fall into the grand scheme of cue making?

I'm interested in where they started and where everyone
thinks they're going.

I think they look great but I also think it's harder to make
veneers look really good.

I don't really know what the thicknesses are that are
most commonly used for veneers, .030 and .060 are
in my head for some reason. Could be for rings, I don't know.

Is it possible with recuts to get the same thicknesses that
you would commonly see in a veneered point?

I have one opinion that recuts take more work, which makes
sense, but is it harder?

Thanks for sharing your opinions
-cOOp

Are they harder to do than mitered veneers? I don't believe so, in fact I feel they are easier to construct. Do they take longer to put together? Yes, I believe that is true. The only tough part is that your prong needs to be perfectly re-indexed after each turning. If you have a jig set up to accomplish that then it is hard to screw up. The major draw back, in my opinion, is that they are a great waste of wood.

Dick

 

[Ballistic Billiards]

but

Are they harder to do than mitered veneers? I don't believe so, in fact I feel they are easier to construct. Do they take longer to put together? Yes, I believe that is true. The only tough part is that your prong needs to be perfectly re-indexed after each turning. If you have a jig set up to accomplish that then it is hard to screw up. The major draw back, in my opinion, is that they are a great waste of wood.

Dick

I thought about the waste but couldn't you use a band saw
to take the majority out instead of turning it to dust?

Thanks,
-cOOp

 

[ragbug74]

You can split your point slabs in 1/2 to save some of the material, but once you glue them in place in the forearm, you have no option but to hog out the point and turn a majority of it to dust. Consider the fact that for veneers, you only are using a piece of material .30 or whatever thick. With recuts, you're taking the spliced point stock and cutting away everything but the .30 you would be using if you used veneers. Granted, most guys leave recuts thicker than standard veneers, but you still "waste" the rest of the point stock when you recut for the next point...it's the nature of recuts. Considering the additional materials and machining required, recuts require considerably more work and time than veneers, but I think veneers are harder to do.

 

[justabrake]

Where do recuts fall into the grand scheme of cue making?

I'm interested in where they started and where everyone
thinks they're going.

I think they look great but I also think it's harder to make
veneers look really good.

I don't really know what the thicknesses are that are
most commonly used for veneers, .030 and .060 are
in my head for some reason. Could be for rings, I don't know.

Is it possible with recuts to get the same thicknesses that
you would commonly see in a veneered point?

I have one opinion that recuts take more work, which makes
sense, but is it harder?

Thanks for sharing your opinions
-cOOp

Check out this webpage by waynecustomcues

http://www.waynecustomcues.com/recut-points.html

Steven

 

[CueCaps]

Recut Points

I know it's only a cap, but, I splice another point in at a faster taper so it
would change the appearance/design of the point.
That's how re-splicing fits into my cap making.

 

[Ballistic Billiards]

I know it's only a cap, but, I splice another point in at a faster taper so it
would change the appearance/design of the point.
That's how re-splicing fits into my cap making.

How thin can you get them?

 

[bruin70]

Are they harder to do than mitered veneers? I don't believe so, in fact I feel they are easier to construct. Do they take longer to put together? Yes, I believe that is true. The only tough part is that your prong needs to be perfectly re-indexed after each turning. If you have a jig set up to accomplish that then it is hard to screw up. The major draw back, in my opinion, is that they are a great waste of wood.

Dick

there's been debate in the past about which was harder and you have encapsulated the whole arguement,,,ie that recuts are time consuming, but not necessarily harder.

from my lay point of view, i have never seen bad recuts, HOWEVER bad veneers abound. ergo, imo perfect veneers are harder.

 

[Sheldon]

Easier or harder is not really an issue. Much better equipment is needed for recut points. A hack will be able to do veneers a lot easier than they will be able to do recuts.

 

[CueCaps]

Coopdeville,
Sorry, but, I don't know what you mean "thin".
Narrow? Never tried to make one that narrow, but, I think gotta get good contact on the mating faces and good glue, small cuts with sharp tool, so the point don't break out.

 

[Ballistic Billiards]

thin

Coopdeville,
Sorry, but, I don't know what you mean "thin".
Narrow? Never tried to make one that narrow, but, I think gotta get good contact on the mating faces and good glue, small cuts with sharp tool, so the point don't break out.

CueCaps,
I meant as thin as a veneer, I guess this just depends on how sharp your
cutting tool is.

Everyone,
Do you see more people, as Wayne Holmes has, changing to this
method of using hardwoods as opposed to veneers?

It stands to reason that the hardwoods provide more structural
integrity. It's also possible that the glue between the
veneers strengthens the area enough that the difference in material
is insignificant.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks,
-cOOp, looking for a mentor

 

[merylane]

Easier or harder is not really an issue. Much better equipment is needed for recut points. A hack will be able to do veneers a lot easier than they will be able to do recuts.

a hack will have better results with recuts than veneers

 

[Jack Madden]

Is it possible with recuts to get the same thicknesses that
you would commonly see in a veneered point?

I have one opinion that recuts take more work, which makes
sense, but is it harder?

Thanks for sharing your opinions
-cOOp

Thickness can be even thinner than veneers - just depends on how daring you are on the mill - cut too much and its garbage. Yes, recuts take more work, material (recuts are using exotic hardwoods not dyed veneers) and time. But you have clean points and no issues with veneers meeting at the points. For quality recut points the cuemaker needs to make sure all the points including the secondaries are EVEN.