Reference Point Aiming System

[plfrg]

I've released a new booklet on aiming. It's an excerpt from a larger book.

The idea isn't new (it's essentially a combination of ghost ball and contact point aiming) but the approach to training and ingraining the system is unique to Attribute Training. I believe it provides a good explanation of the basics of aiming as well as providing a method to learn it.

I can answer any questions you might have about the system. Here is a snapshot of the booklet that's available at www.attributetraining.com

 

[plfrg]

Here is another snapshot from the aiming booklet at www.attributetraining.com

 

[voiceofreason]

I've released a new booklet on aiming. It's an excerpt from a larger book.

The idea isn't new (it's essentially a combination of ghost ball and contact point aiming) but the approach to training and ingraining the system is unique to Attribute Training. I believe it provides a good explanation of the basics of aiming as well as providing a method to learn it.

I can answer any questions you might have about the system. Here is a snapshot of the booklet that's available at www.attributetraining.com

The object ball in the first picture top right looks like it will miss

 

[plfrg]

The object ball in the first picture top right looks like it will miss

I think it went in off the right corner of the pocket...

This aiming booklet is an excerpt from the book and one of the main purposes is to get feedback exactly like this. I'll pass it on to the graphics person and we'll fix it for the book.

 

[duckie]

Have a look at my avatar...got one for margin of error of a shot showing how ball placement effects it size and how much of it can be used. It isn't so much for aiming but understanding the geometry of a shot that exist no matter how you determined where to put the CB.

Research Babe Cranfield Arrow....

 

[plfrg]

Have a look at my avatar...got one for margin of error of a shot showing how ball placement effects it size and how much of it can be used. It isn't so much for aiming but understanding the geometry of a shot that exist no matter how you determined where to put the CB.

Research Babe Cranfield Arrow....

Duckie, it's a little difficult to understand what you're saying. Not sure what the first part of your point is.

With regard to the Cranfield arrow, if you read my booklet you'll find a reference to it in there. I think it's ok but not what I needed so I invented a more simple tool to find that point. It's a combination of the Cranfield arrow and the magic rack. It's printed on a thin piece of plastic so it will not affect the travel of the balls.

You place it under the object ball and move it to the correct alignment to show where the aimpoint is.

 

[plfrg]

here is a series of photos of the aimpoint reference tool. If you're in the Portland Oregon area and you come by, I'll give you a few of them for practice. They helped me a lot when I started using this system.

These photos aren't the highest quality but they show the tool on the table, then the ball on the tool, then the aimpoint and target line crossing at the aimpoint.

I have a few green light line lasers on my pool table. They are pretty effective for showing someone the concept. It's a lot easier than trying to use your imagination.

 

[Straightpool_99]

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[plfrg]

You will address the fact that this kind of aim fails on slower shots and larger cuts, right?

The simple answer to your question is that no aiming system can address collision induced throw (CIT). It's physically impossible. I assume that's the underlying issue you're referring to above. CIT happens on slower shots, particularly slow half ball hit shots with stun.

Also, this aiming system involves far more than just the references you see in these photos. The process is a central part of this system as explained in the booklet. My aiming system is integral to my shot routine.

At the end of the day, I believe your confidence in your aiming system matters more than your aiming system. After you ingrain a system, you start to go by feel based on experience and knowledge (of factors such as CIT).

This aiming system, like all others, gets you in the ballpark on the vast majority of shots and it works quite well. I know, because I use it. I'm not the best shot, but I placed 13th out of 193 people in the open A division at the recent regional BCA event at the coast. Max Eberle essentially uses something very similar to this system also. He's pretty good at slow shots and larger cuts.

 

[stan shuffett]

The simple answer to your question is that no aiming system can address collision induced throw (CIT). It's physically impossible. I assume that's the underlying issue you're referring to above. CIT happens on slower shots, particularly slow half ball hit shots with stun.

Also, this aiming system involves far more than just the references you see in these photos. The process is a central part of this system as explained in the booklet. My aiming system is integral to my shot routine.

At the end of the day, I believe your confidence in your aiming system matters more than your aiming system. After you ingrain a system, you start to go by feel based on experience and knowledge (of factors such as CIT).

This aiming system, like all others, gets you in the ballpark on the vast majority of shots and it works quite well. I know, because I use it. I'm not the best shot, but I placed 13th out of 193 people in the open A division at the recent regional BCA event at the coast. Max Eberle essentially uses something very similar to this system also. He's pretty good at slow shots and larger cuts.

Incorrect to say that ALL aiming systems are ballparkers!

Stan Shuffett

 

[plfrg]

Incorrect to say that ALL aiming systems are ballparkers!

Stan Shuffett

Perhaps ballpark wasn't the best choice of words, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. In fact, I believe the aiming system I'm proposing is one of the most accurate. I also believe that confidence and feel play large roles in how someone plays - particularly under pressure - regardless of what anyone says.

One of the keys to this system is that you don't hit to the pocket - you hit to a specific target in the pocket. I hit the object ball very accurately into different parts of the pocket based on the desired position. It is not a 'center pocket' system.

 

[stan shuffett]

Perhaps ballpark wasn't the best choice of words, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. In fact, I believe the aiming system I'm proposing is one of the most accurate. I also believe that confidence and feel play large roles in how someone plays - particularly under pressure - regardless of what anyone says.

One of the keys to this system is that you don't hit to the pocket - you hit to a specific target in the pocket. I hit the object ball very accurately into different parts of the pocket based on the desired position. It is not a 'center pocket' system.

What you are presenting is feel based. Nothing new!

Stan Shuffett

 

[plfrg]

What you are presenting is feel based. Nothing new!

Stan Shuffett

That's a pretty flippant statement coming from someone who should know better. You read 2 or 3 posts and assess an entire system as feel based? Never bothering to read anything about it? You should know better than that Stan.

To the contrary, the system is based on very objective references, as the name implies.

I have an electrical engineering degree and I was a sniper at SEAL Team 2. My interpretation of precision and yours might be slightly different.

I researched and developed this system over the last six years. As I stated, this system is a process that is integral to my shot routine. I didn't just read With Winning in Mind by Olympic gold medalist Lanny Bassham. I went down to Texas to meet and talk with him. This aiming system was meant to be both precise, and to work under pressure.

Forgive me for saying that feeling that the shot is on is a good thing.

 

[stan shuffett]

That's a pretty flippant statement coming from someone who should know better. You read 2 or 3 posts and assess an entire system as feel based? Never bothering to read anything about it? You should know better than that Stan.

To the contrary, the system is based on very objective references, as the name implies.

I have an electrical engineering degree and I was a sniper at SEAL Team 2. My interpretation of precision and yours might be slightly different.

I researched and developed this system over the last six years. As I stated, this system is a process that is integral to my shot routine. I didn't just read With Winning in Mind by Olympic gold medalist Lanny Bassham. I went down to Texas to meet and talk with him. This aiming system was meant to be both precise, and to work under pressure.

Forgive me for saying that feeling that the shot is on is a good thing.

Entirely ALL FEEL. ZERO connection to table geometry.

Stan Shuffett

 

[plfrg]

Entirely ALL FEEL. ZERO connection to table geometry.

Stan Shuffett

I agree about the zero connection to geometry. It's the connection to the target that matters. It matters in shooting and it matters in pool. In fact, it's the most important connection.

I'll leave the geometry lessons to you and focus on training to perform under pressure.

One other thing I won't do: make a claim that I have the only system that works because of 'x'. Fill in the blank. Everyone is different and responds uniquely to different methods.

If someone comes to me and they're shooting well, but want help to perform better under pressure, I don't try to shove my aiming system down their throat. I assess what they might need and help them work on specific areas. I wouldn't care if they were using CTE as long as they are accurately pocketing balls.

The aiming booklet that you didn't read is 26 pages out of a 300 page book on training for pool. Aiming is a small part of what it takes to succeed in pool. The process and performing under pressure are more important.

 

[stan shuffett]

I agree about the zero connection to geometry. It's the connection to the target that matters. It matters in shooting and it matters in pool. In fact, it's the most important connection.

I'll leave the geometry lessons to you and focus on training to perform under pressure.

One other thing I won't do: make a claim that I have the only system that works because of 'x'. Fill in the blank. Everyone is different and responds uniquely to different methods.

If someone comes to me and they're shooting well, but want help to perform better under pressure, I don't try to shove my aiming system down their throat. I assess what they might need and help them work on specific areas. I wouldn't care if they were using CTE as long as they are accurately pocketing balls.

The aiming booklet that you didn't read is 26 pages out of a 300 page book on training for pool. Aiming is a small part of what it takes to succeed in pool. The process and performing under pressure are more important.

Are you suggesting that you can play under pressure?
And perhaps that CTE players can NOT?

Stan Shuffett

 

[8pack]

Entirely ALL FEEL. ZERO connection to table geometry.

Stan Shuffett

I'm a big time contact point person . Zero connection ??? Maybe you just don't know the connection. How much feel does your system require?

 

[stan shuffett]

I'm a big time contact point person . Zero connection ??? Maybe you just don't know the connection. How much feel does your system require?

Yep, CPs the same connection to a pocket as that of Jerry's mouse hole.

CTE ABSOLUTELY CONNECTS. My work has already been presented.

Stan Shuffett

 

[plfrg]

Are you suggesting that you can play under pressure?
And perhaps that CTE players can NOT?

Stan Shuffett

Stan, you seem angry tonight? I would never say something like that.

I said I don't care what aiming they use when they come to me. If they're already shooting well, I don't try to fix something that isn't broken. If they use CTE that's ok with me as long as they are pocketing balls accurately.

I've moved away from trying to present a bunch of aiming systems for someone to pick from. I only teach one system because its one of the best and easiest to learn, it works under pressure, and its simple so people can move on more quickly to other important aspects of the game.

If they come to me to learn CTE I will let them know that I'm not familiar enough with the system to teach it and I will gladly send them your way.

 

[8pack]

Yep, CPs the same connection to a pocket as that of Jerry's mouse hole.

CTE ABSOLUTELY CONNECTS. My work has already been presented.

Stan Shuffett

You just don't know. Yes we've seen what's been presented haven't we.