Reference Point Aiming System

Gerry Williams said:
Stan - just add him to the ignore list. It is very therapeutic :)

He is another know it all that probably can't make 3 balls in a row and definitely adds no value here. I kid you not - thanks to John's match I have identified at least 20 trolls since Wednesday - all on the ignore list.

This forum makes much more sense without them.

Cheers buddy.

Gerry <-- Not sure if he was desperate or curious but sure glad it was one of those :)
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Gerry,

Thanks for prompt to GO IGNORE. I have not used that option to this point. I may try it out......but for the most I like to be aware of what is being said. I have a very good reason for doing so.

Stan Shuffett
 
(((Satori))) said:
I will check this out simply because Lanny had an influence in its development. Mr. Bassham and Troy are both good people and few understand reaching peak potential and playing under pressure as well as they do. They know what is necessary to learn and the best methods for training and competing.

As you can see I have tremendous respect for them and I look forward to seeing what you have written about aiming. Thanks for your contributions and please disregard the cte followers(and leader). CTE is like a religion to some in this forum .
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Good to hear. Lanny is definitely a good person and he's been involved with the mental game for decades. I've not read or talked to anyone else that has a better approach.

I do want to make it clear that its more correct to say that Lanny influenced me, and the way I approach a shot routine. I think that's what you are saying and it's correct. Lanny didn't actively review or write any of the material.

The other thing is the aiming booklet is focused solely on aiming. Although there are components of mental skills contained in the booklet, the focus is learning to aim properly and to develop a process to approach every shot in the same way - which is essentially the basis of a shot routine.
 
bbb said:
i guess since there has been and still is alot of cte bashing i should not have been surprised that the tone of this thread would turn ugly
i dont understand why people cant be civil
fwiw
i just bought stans dvd and am giving it a try and i just bought the ops ebook
so i have an open mind
i must admit im biased towards ghost ball aiming because thats what i use(so far)
as for the aiming booklet presented
ive only skimmed thru it so i dont have an accurate opinion
but it seems to be a very well presented ghost ball type aiming system that tries to teach the difference between the aiming point and contact point
im sure there is more to it which i will understand after i read thru it in its entirety
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I was caught off guard by the energy around the debate as well. The debate about which aiming system is better than another isn't interesting to me at all.

I'm interested in hearing ideas about how to improve performance under pressure.

The aiming booklet's main purpose is to provide a process to aim, not just describe theory about aiming. Any feedback is appreciated.
 
duckie said:
Cool.......Now just add the aiming arc to it as in the drawing. The Aiming Arc is the line the ghostball contact patch will move along when the Ghost Ball is moved around the OB while in contact with the OB. It will always 1/2 the diameter of the CB from the outer most edge of the OB.....
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Duckie, I think I agree with much of what you're saying in the post above which is scaring me a little because I don't understand all of what you're saying.

I also don't correct for CIT, however, many times I do adjust for it by aiming to another part of the pocket in the chance that it occurs or by adding a small amount of spin to avoid it, which can change your aim slightly as you suggest.

I also have a little secret about that aiming tool I developed. You're correct about where it should be, but I'm interested in what a shot looks like to the shooter - so I made a slight adjustment to it. I'm not saying that it corrects for CIT or spin, I still don't believe any aiming system can account for those issues. But the tool isn't quite as simple as it looks.

Perhaps I'll PM you and a few others to get your read on the adjustment. It's very small but I think it's effective.
 
I like the booklet. I think your method is a great way to learn how to aim.

At $2.00 I think everyone who wants to learn how to aim should take a look.
 
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I just downloaded the booklet and briefly read through it. If others did this they might realize that this is more along the lines of a comprehensive shot making system than a mere "aiming" system. I'm betting CJ Wiley will love this stuff. He is always speaking of "making connections" mentally and using visualization techniques (like "visualize extending the tip through the cue ball") in playing the game at a high level.

This is fresh stuff IMHO, and can be applied to any aiming method. I aim using a method I've never read about elsewhere, and I can instantly see how this information (some of it, like "quiet eye", already known to us on AZB) can help me to improve without changing my aiming method at all.

You won't get too many people buying this download at that price, though. $50-$80 seems to be a more reasonable price point for an aiming system to most folks here. ;)
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
I just downloaded the booklet and briefly read through it. If others did this they might realize that this is more along the lines of a comprehensive shot making system than a mere "aiming" system. I'm betting CJ Wiley will love this stuff. He is always speaking of "making connections" mentally and using visualization techniques (like "visualize extending the tip through the cue ball") in playing the game at a high level.

This is fresh stuff IMHO, and can be applied to any aiming method. I aim using a method I've never read about elsewhere, and I can instantly see how this information (some of it, like "quiet eye", already known to us on AZB) can help me to improve without changing my aiming method at all.

You won't get too many people buying this download at that price, though. $50-$80 seems to be a more reasonable price point for an aiming system to most folks here. ;)
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Thanks, and I appreciate the feedback. And you're exactly correct. While I prefer to use a specific set of references (aimpoint, contact point, and target point), that's not the point of this system or training method.

You could use it as is, which works very well for me. Or with a small adjustment you could plug in another set of references such as fractional aiming, TOI, SVB's ferrule references, or any other references. It's the process that matters to me.
 
After reading the booklet a little more thoroughly I will tell you that I am highly impressed. You did a great job 1) explaining your method for aiming. 2) explaining the attributes that are required for pocketing balls. 3) teaching how to use the attributes. 4) laying out a progressive system for practicing and learning your method.

This might be the best method I have ever read that explains how to aim and more importantly how to learn how to aim.

I would like to add that most people will want to read the booklet, learn the complete system, and then jump right into level three practice but I would advise them that if they are not pocketing balls consistently then they should work the drills in level one and level two in order and for the specified time and then move on to level three. For instance, in the first few weeks of level one you start off by having people just pocket a single ball. I guarantee you that most will do this for maybe one rack and then decide to move on. But that drill alone when repeated daily for a few weeks does a few things that if they skip it they will miss out on. For example there is no better way to learn how to visualize the path of the object ball into a precise part of the pocket than to hit the object ball only for a few weeks. When you do this over and over your visual image becomes very clear. It also becomes automatic. Before long you can quickly visualize a clear exact image in your head on every shot including the speed and spin of the object ball and how it effects pocket size. Once the drill has been performed over and over and the visualization of object ball to pocket is clear and automatic then they should move on to work on the other aspects of the shot. Your method of breaking down the practice should be followed even by good B or C players imo because the progressive learning allows someone to truly learn certain aspects before moving on and I mean learn aspects at a subconscious level which then gives them that shot is on feeling. If someone follows your system precisely, which is not hard to do, I don't see how they could not benefit and learn how to pocket balls in a way that is natural and seems automatic.

Great work imo.
 
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(((Satori))) said:
After reading the booklet a little more thoroughly I will tell you that I am highly impressed. You did a great job 1) explaining your method for aiming. 2) explaining the attributes that are required for pocketing balls. 3) teaching how to use the attributes. 4) laying out a progressive system for practicing and learning your method.

This might be the best method I have ever read that explains how to aim and more importantly how to learn how to aim.

I would like to add that most people will want to read the booklet, learn the complete system, and then jump right into level three practice but I would advise them that if they are not pocketing balls consistently then they should work the drills in level one and level two in order and for the specified time and then move on to level three. For instance, in the first few weeks of level one you start off by having people just pocket a single ball. I guarantee you that most will do this for maybe one rack and then decide to move on. But that drill alone when repeated daily for a few weeks does a few things that if they skip it they will miss out on. For example there is no better way to learn how to visualize the path of the object ball into a precise part of the pocket than to hit the object ball only for a few weeks. When you do this over and over your visual image becomes very clear. It also becomes automatic. Before long you can quickly visualize a clear exact image in your head on every shot including the speed and spin of the object ball and how it effects pocket size. Once the drill has been performed over and over and the visualization of object ball to pocket is clear and automatic then they should move on to work on the other aspects of the shot. Your method of breaking down the practice should be followed even by good B or C players imo because the progressive learning allows someone to truly learn certain aspects before moving on and I mean learn aspects at a subconscious level which then gives them that shot is on feeling. If someone follows your system precisely, which is not hard to do, I don't see how they could not benefit and learn how to pocket balls in a way that is natural and seems automatic.

Great work imo.
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i too just finished reading thru the entire booklet
it is well written very clear presentation of the material
i agree with all satori said
he said it better than i could
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(((Satori))) said:
After reading the booklet a little more thoroughly I will tell you that I am highly impressed. You did a great job 1) explaining your method for aiming. 2) explaining the attributes that are required for pocketing balls. 3) teaching how to use the attributes. 4) laying out a progressive system for practicing and learning your method.

This might be the best method I have ever read that explains how to aim and more importantly how to learn how to aim.

I would like to add that most people will want to read the booklet, learn the complete system, and then jump right into level three practice but I would advise them that if they are not pocketing balls consistently then they should work the drills in level one and level two in order and for the specified time and then move on to level three. For instance, in the first few weeks of level one you start off by having people just pocket a single ball. I guarantee you that most will do this for maybe one rack and then decide to move on. But that drill alone when repeated daily for a few weeks does a few things that if they skip it they will miss out on. For example there is no better way to learn how to visualize the path of the object ball into a precise part of the pocket than to hit the object ball only for a few weeks. When you do this over and over your visual image becomes very clear. It also becomes automatic. Before long you can quickly visualize a clear exact image in your head on every shot including the speed and spin of the object ball and how it effects pocket size. Once the drill has been performed over and over and the visualization of object ball to pocket is clear and automatic then they should move on to work on the other aspects of the shot. Your method of breaking down the practice should be followed even by good B or C players imo because the progressive learning allows someone to truly learn certain aspects before moving on and I mean learn aspects at a subconscious level which then gives them that shot is on feeling. If someone follows your system precisely, which is not hard to do, I don't see how they could not benefit and learn how to pocket balls in a way that is natural and seems automatic.

Great work imo.
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Appreciate the feedback. It's very helpful to know if people understand what you're writing when you put something like this out to the public. Your explanation is right on the mark.
 
genomachino said:
Good call Stan...........
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Gene, Attribute Training is about training - not aiming.

I'm interested in how people train and I believe Attribute Training is a new way to train.

In the opening statement of this thread I said: "The idea isn't new (it's essentially a combination of ghost ball and contact point aiming) but the approach to training and ingraining the system is unique to Attribute Training (AT)."

If you go to my website you will see a few of the principles I've outlined for AT. Over the next few months I will provide a complete outline to the approach.

If you would like a phone call to discuss my approach to training, send me a PM. I'd be happy to get on the phone and discuss training efficacy and preferred approaches with you.

Thanks, Jon
 
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