Refinish effect on cue value.
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I never heard of that maker. A google search turned up this thread as the main hit: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...ayne-anderson-out-of-bill-schick-shop.554845/
If his cues are not selling as high end, I doubt the refinish affected the value much. If he is high end, then definitely.
I'd go with the above post of 25% range as a start.
If his cues are not selling as high end, I doubt the refinish affected the value much. If he is high end, then definitely.
I'd go with the above post of 25% range as a start.
Half it.
Unfortunately, cue value depends heavily on verifiability and originality. No logo makes it tough for future buyers to authenticate it without paperwork, and turned-down shafts almost always ding performance appeal. Even if you know it’s a Bella Sera, the market doesn’t go on trust, it goes on markings and condition. I’d say 25–50% loss is realistic depending on the buyer and if you have any way to document provenance.
25-40%……..the 25% is if the cue is exceptionally handsome otherwise it is more like 35-40%.
Always have pictures taken of the Cue and Logo before Refinishing.
Because you never know!
Because you never know!
Absolutely. Before and after pictures.
We end up with "unidentified" cues pretty regularly. Some of them pretty nice. Certainly a few might have lost their identity in a refinish, then sold or passed on with no record. Perhaps substantial lost value occasionally.
Maybe so. Hard to say really.
25% to 50% looks like what people feel, I think that is a good range to consider.
Certainly if it is a "good" cue, it has substantial inherent value.
Yeah, I agree.
I think the cue would have been worth 1600 or more before the “work”. Now maybe 1000.
It has an amazing hit, is part of a 4 cue lot I’m getting for one cue. Good chance I’ll keep it but have a standing offer either way.
I’ll post pictures later.
I have a buyer
I think the cue would have been worth 1600 or more before the “work”. Now maybe 1000.
It has an amazing hit, is part of a 4 cue lot I’m getting for one cue. Good chance I’ll keep it but have a standing offer either way.
I’ll post pictures later.
the guy does have before pictures. I played with the cue before he sent it off.
I have a buyer
I remember the Bella Sera name, but having been away for a few years I don't remember the cues. I checked my hard drive, I have no records of them. I definitely don't own one. I seem to remember a web site way back?
I feel like it was something I was looking at years ago, but I can't seem to remember.
It's a shame when web sites disappear. We feel like the internet is "forever" but it is not. I am frustrated at all the cue pictures lost after Paul Dayton's site went down for instance.
Records, pictures, and receipts can definitely support the value of a cue. Get everything you can with a cue. Never forget to ask.
I have a few cues that I bothered to ask about more info on, and ended up with original receipts or copies of receipts.
I bought a cue off of Dick Abbott years ago. A fairly rare example, I have never seen another. He had lots of information, and lots to say about it. I have saved all the emails we exchanged on PDF, as well as all other documentation, including a scanned copy of handwritten letter from the maker. It was a big purchase for me at the time, I saved everything and documented everything. I have high resolutions copies of all the pictures he took of the cue, screenshots of it posted on his web site, and all my own pictures of the cue.
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Generally agree, however we both have a mutual friend with a fancy Gus Szamboti that was in need of a restoration. It was done expertly by Barry, which I guarantee only enhanced the value. It does vary to restore a cue.
Oh yes. But I would say that is a more unusual circumstance than what is generally found. In the case of the cue in question, it is most likely lost value.
That's why I said a "good" cue has substantial inherent value.
The quality of the restoration, and who does the restoration, can be a game changer for sure.
What is tragic is when we see a truly fine cue that was improperly "restored" by a hack. It happens. That changes the matter from refinish to repair. Generally it can be rescued I think, but improper restoration can cause unrepairable damage that will simply suck value out of the cue due to the repairs required.
So, there is no set way about this. It is going to be a case by case basis. Ultimately, it will still just depend on what the buyer is willing to pay.
Yep. Years ago, a guy who worked at my local pool room had acquired a good old Joss, plain four pointer, with the wide white veneer, nice age, no problems with it, very nice patina, ivory joint, with Cortland linen. I shot a bit with it, didn't give him an offer, but probably should have.
He took it to Joss, they refinished it, replaced the delrin buttplate with their modern, with a more garish Joss logo, put an awful looking linen wrap on it compared to the Cortland. He showed it to me, and I was sick to my stomach. I should have bought it from him. Horrible experience. Scars me to this day. Sometimes even the original company messes up a restoration which didn't need to be.
Wayne Anderson made them
Might just be the picture, but those are nasty looking shaft tapers. I'd say diminished value just due to that. The taper near the joint doesn't look natural. And the ferrule looks flared outward a bit on both shafts.
I think it’s the tips making the ferrules look that way.
I have mostly painted cues that I'd probably prefer natural mapleized.