Retipping 80+ one piece bar cues.

No comparison.

Lathe would be a dream come true! Sadly Im not able to purchase one. As soon as I can I will. For now its by hand. :o
 
such as?

Blue Hog ridr said:
Your first mistake would be buying the Porper Big Shaver when a couple of the other Porper tools will do the job much nicer for a fraction of the cost.
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I know he makes a tool for nearly each step in the process, so what would your shopping list be?
 
PickPocket said:
Lathe would be a dream come true! Sadly Im not able to purchase one. As soon as I can I will. For now its by hand. :o
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I hear ya. You'll get used to it. It's not so bad by hand. What still gets me is getting the ferrules flat - that's a real challenge on cues that are, er, past their best.
 
Dave38 said:
For about $400 buy a harbor freight machinist lathe and then you can do the tips and ferrules.

They are now 499 + tax on special.
Lathes are great machines and you can make lots of things on them.

There is 3 ways of doing the job, the most time/cost effective is to have a lathe.
2nd is some sort of tipping tool,
3rd is by hand.
Least capitol outlay is 3,
tipping are great if you only do a few tips and don't get into replacing ferrules etc.
The lathe lets you do tips/ferrules and clean shafts as well as after the job you have something to be able to make things on.
A lot depends on the value of your time.
As a company, your time is worth a minimum amount to make it work etc etc

Clearly your choice.

Neil
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conetip said:
Dave38 said:
For about $400 buy a harbor freight machinist lathe and then you can do the tips and ferrules.

They are now 499 + tax on special.
Lathes are great machines and you can make lots of things on them.

There is 3 ways of doing the job, the most time/cost effective is to have a lathe.
2nd is some sort of tipping tool,
3rd is by hand.
Least capitol outlay is 3,
tipping are great if you only do a few tips and don't get into replacing ferrules etc.
The lathe lets you do tips/ferrules and clean shafts as well as after the job you have something to be able to make things on.
A lot depends on the value of your time.
As a company, your time is worth a minimum amount to make it work etc etc

Clearly your choice.

Neil
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7.00 each just wouldn't cut it if I had to do it by hand. In my shop I charge 10.00 to install a standard one piece tip on a 2 piece cue. I charge 15.00 if it's a house cue.

Dick
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PickPocket said:
rhncue said:
is that because you have to turn the shaft more from the abuse they take?
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Yes. House cues ferrules are seldom glued on so they act like a sliding hammer knocking the tip off. They are almost always beat up so bad you hate to touch them and the ferrules are usually either cheap plastic or linen ferrules neither of which hold glue well. I just want them to go away.

Dick
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rhncue said:
PickPocket said:
Yes. House cues ferrules are seldom glued on so they act like a sliding hammer knocking the tip off. They are almost always beat up so bad you hate to touch them and the ferrules are usually either cheap plastic or linen ferrules neither of which hold glue well. I just want them to go away.

Dick
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Sheesh! That doesnt sound very fun. But I do wanna start some where, and figured it would be a learning process. Gotta take the good with the bad! :grin:
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Works for me. Scroll down a bit. Its Called Tip Replacement Tutorial.

Try it and if you can't get it to work, I will see if I can guide you in to it. It is quite good and might help you with your project.
 
Im not the fastest at replacing a tip. I like to take my time. Lets say you did one every 5 mins that's 12 an hour. That means to do 80 it would take you around 6.5 hours. Why would you want to put yourself through this??? Tell him you suffer from temporary insanity and get out while the getting's good lol. Putting on a tip isn't rocket science you don't need 80 tips worth of practice. Come to think of it I don't think I've even installed 80 tips and I do them just fine.
 
LosOsosCues said:
Im not the fastest at replacing a tip. I like to take my time. Lets say you did one every 5 mins that's 12 an hour. That means to do 80 it would take you around 6.5 hours. Why would you want to put yourself through this??? Tell him you suffer from temporary insanity and get out while the getting's good lol. Putting on a tip isn't rocket science you don't need 80 tips worth of practice. Come to think of it I don't think I've even installed 80 tips and I do them just fine.
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All things considered thanks! :)

Ps. Did I mention that this "Project" is for a friend of mine who owns a bar locally (My local watering hole) and has been doing a lot, to bring new players to the game. He has 3 Tables, "Home style" and doesn't charge to play. FREE POOL 24/7, and he maintains his tables regularly, also ina addition he hosts tournements, and starting an in house league. While still supporting several other traveling leagues. Kinda my way to say "Thanks!" and give back.
 
well when you put it like that I can understand why you are doing it. I like triangles for the tips instead of lepros. I had the big shaver and it made a mess more than anything. I hope you find the least painfull way of doing them.
 
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LosOsosCues said:
well when you put it like that I can understand why you are doing it. I like triangles for the tips instead of lepros. I had the big shaver and it made a mess more than anything. I hope you find the least painfull way of doing them.
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yeah I am exploring all my options! And I also perfer triangles to le pros, but for 80 house cues i figured they would do ok.
 
By far the toughest tip to install is a Elk Master as they are so soft they dull the cutting tool almost immediately. However I believe they are the best tips for a bar or pool room cue as they are so forgiving as far as mis-cues and the people using them are usually pretty inept. The less mis-cues - the less chance for tips coming off or the cloth being damaged.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
By far the toughest tip to install is a Elk Master as they are so soft they dull the cutting tool almost immediately. However I believe they are the best tips for a bar or pool room cue as they are so forgiving as far as mis-cues and the people using them are usually pretty inept. The less mis-cues - the less chance for tips coming off or the cloth being damaged.

Dick
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majority or people that take a cue off the walls know how to play. This bar has a pretty strong "pool" crowd. otherwise it was also my first thought due to expense. Triangle is my first thought for good single layer performance, so le pro was my middle ground.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Pick Pocket, watch Seyberts Video on tip replacement.
The two Porper tools featured are far more efficient than the Big Shaver.

I tried the Big Shaver and didn't like it much. I also had used the Little Shaver along with these other 2 tools.

http://www.seyberts.com/products/Deluxe_Tip_Replacement_Kit-984-277.html
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The most useful hand tool I use for trimming the sides is the Porper mushroom grazer.
Its truly a hand tool, which means its only as good as the hand guiding it.
The Ace or True value stores carry replacement blades.

If I were doing 80 cues I'd use 2 of them, one with the blade depth to remove the bulk and one set to barely cut. You can set the blade depth similar to an old hand plane as well as the end of blade depth "horizontal" so the end of the blade stops at the ferrel.

Like I said its a hand tool and with a little practice you will find that by rocking it you can very precisely control the shave of the tip to match the ferrel.
Then use the porper burnisher and your done.
 
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PickPocket said:
majority or people that take a cue off the walls know how to play. This bar has a pretty strong "pool" crowd. otherwise it was also my first thought due to expense. Triangle is my first thought for good single layer performance, so le pro was my middle ground.
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Practically zero difference in price / box, my as well use the triangles.
 
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