Retiring
- Thread starter Dak21st
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titlistsucker
Deceased
u be sorely missed... how about u leave ur searing behind so that i can be reminded of u and ur kindness from time to time?
Bgrds
Raist
Bgrds
Raist
Yeah. I'm getting tired of people wanting to trade junky "custom" cues for Zylrs, SWs, Cogs, etc, etc. I cannot even keep count of the number of low-ball cash offers or the number of Dzurickys, Kompans, Prathers, Gilberts, that have been offered for my cues.Dak21st said:
Sorry to see you go Dak21st; you were one of the good guys.
-ShaneS
PoolSleuth
Banned
ShaneS said:
Think you are now use to how people are testing your prices. For a wake up got to a CAR DEALER, and see how they try and steal your Trade in...
ShaneS said:
Shane,
From someone thats been doing cues for a long time, I can appreciate exactly what you just said. LOL.
Joe
ShaneS said:
Educate me please...what makes Gilberts, Dzuricky's, Prathers junky? Realize they are not high priced, long waiting list cues. Just would like to know why you consider them junky. I understand not trading them for SW's or Zylrs which are very sought after after all.
good luck
One thing that I have come to understand over the years is that a truely great cue can only truely be appreciated by a great player. I have told this to Timi and Dennis and Mike some of the best and they liked what I related to them it goes like this Your Scruggs or Searing is a piece of Shit and I wouldn't play with anything but a schon or esparitu and the people telling me this load of crap absolutely stink out loud.And there lies the problem even Dennis said you just want to ask them how good do they play. And they would say well I ran a rack once a few years ago.
Most really good players wish they had a great cue they can't keep one usually because they don't work for a living. So the market for the truely great paying cue is almosssst a inagma the people that truely know the value of the great cues just can not afford them. I would say this is true more times than not.
If you have no uncertainty of the value of your cues you probably would rather not sell anyway so let the nay sayers cry all they want Dak when there eyes are closed they are probably secretly dreaming they own a cue like yours they just wouldn't be able to eat for a few months if they got one from you. Your cues are money in the bank and a few years from now you will be glad you still have them.There loss is your gain! Good Luck Sir
Nick
One thing that I have come to understand over the years is that a truely great cue can only truely be appreciated by a great player. I have told this to Timi and Dennis and Mike some of the best and they liked what I related to them it goes like this Your Scruggs or Searing is a piece of Shit and I wouldn't play with anything but a schon or esparitu and the people telling me this load of crap absolutely stink out loud.And there lies the problem even Dennis said you just want to ask them how good do they play. And they would say well I ran a rack once a few years ago.
Most really good players wish they had a great cue they can't keep one usually because they don't work for a living. So the market for the truely great paying cue is almosssst a inagma the people that truely know the value of the great cues just can not afford them. I would say this is true more times than not.
If you have no uncertainty of the value of your cues you probably would rather not sell anyway so let the nay sayers cry all they want Dak when there eyes are closed they are probably secretly dreaming they own a cue like yours they just wouldn't be able to eat for a few months if they got one from you. Your cues are money in the bank and a few years from now you will be glad you still have them.There loss is your gain! Good Luck Sir
Nick
Eyefull
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You can't have it both ways. If you whine that people don't appreciate high quality cues, then you can't complain when they do - and then want to trade up for one.nick serdula said:
There's probably some truth to what you write, but let's face it: the market is becoming saturated from good and great builders working their craft for 20 - 30 years, and we're all just looking at what the market will bear when it's time to unload.
Take care, Dak.
Although I couldn't afford any of 'em, I sure enjoyed looking at your collection. Hope the next few ticks on the clock treat you well. Sorry to see ya go!
Rat
Although I couldn't afford any of 'em, I sure enjoyed looking at your collection. Hope the next few ticks on the clock treat you well. Sorry to see ya go!
Rat
flushman
Banned
I learned this when I was younger and I would go to baseball card shows and sell cards. NO matter what it is, who or what says it worth, its only worth what someone else is willing to pay. As far as southwest they are worth $5 bucks to me. The Szamboti's however now they are worth $1,000's (plural) to me and depending on which one it is I would pay the asking price! (Yes of course I would negotiate)
PS I have a gilbert, a lucasi (high end) and a players sneaky pete I am willing to part with for one of your Szamboti's!
PS I have a gilbert, a lucasi (high end) and a players sneaky pete I am willing to part with for one of your Szamboti's!
ShaneS said:
Why try to diminish someones cues because they arent as expensive as the ones you mentioned. Seriously, do you honestly think that you need to charge alot for a plain cue with rings or have a 8 year wait list to have a good cue? That is what it sounds like.
Dak21st said:
Where are you going?
cgriffin5 said:
Exactly.
And, to make the matter worse, most people I come across that play with a Very Exspensive collectors cue could get the Orange Crush from me on a 9' table and hate it pretty quick. Not all mind you, but 90% of the Collectors that brag about their equipment couldn't run a rack if their life depended on it.
Which is all fine and dandy if you wanna do the "My equipment is better than you equipment" game. However, my sticks are Tools to perform a job, and make me money with, and any of them will do that. Get the one you like and use it...
My buddy plays with a $5.00 homemade sneaky pete with a 314 shaft on it and is all he will ever play with. He broke and ran 7 "8-ball racks" on my triple shimmed 9' Gold Crown III with Simonis 760 on it last night........
Maybe he could have ran 8 if he had a better cue
If you like what you have that's fine, just don't bang on someone elses cause it aint as nice as yours.....
I need to clarify my retirement.I am leaving the buying and trading of used cues circuit.I have decided to put my orders in with cuemakers and wait the list.The last used cues I have are listed in a package.I would take $3500 for the Searing,$1700 for the Haley.$300 for the case.The cues include delivery the case you would have to pay shipping.My playing cues are a G.Szamboti and Searing.The rest of my collection will then be unplayed new cues.
Hey, ide love to own those cues ,but am not lucky enough to have the type of rediculous money they are fetching........ So i geuss i will have to go back to those "junky" cuemakers.................... LMAO
How can you be serious with that statement??????
I know a really great player who plays with a Meucci and as far as im concerned theyre not those" high end" cues you spoke of and i can gaurantee if you come down im sure he would play you for those cues........ (and win)
But youre saying he would play better with a Searing, Szamboti.........
How can you be serious with that statement??????
I know a really great player who plays with a Meucci and as far as im concerned theyre not those" high end" cues you spoke of and i can gaurantee if you come down im sure he would play you for those cues........ (and win) But youre saying he would play better with a Searing, Szamboti.........
Cuestick "Snobbery"
Right On!!
Generally speaking - and I do mean just generally - most cue snobs just don't play that well! Equipment freaks (and I am one of them to a degree) put way too much emphasis on equipment....guarantee that $5 cuestick w/the 314 shaft, in the right hands, wins the cash from the Szamboti, Cog or whatever, in the wrong hands.
For what its worth - the same thing happens on the golf course. The guy with the latest and greatest irons/drivers/putters etc etc usually doesn't play that well. I was not real surprised after attending several major PGA tournaments to see the big guns were playing with the same equipment they've played with for 5 years plus.
Having the best equipment is a wonderful thing to be able to do but there's no justification for down chatting those who don't.
Jedi V Man said:Exactly.
And, to make the matter worse, most people I come across that play with a Very Exspensive collectors cue could get the Orange Crush from me on a 9' table and hate it pretty quick. Not all mind you, but 90% of the Collectors that brag about their equipment couldn't run a rack if their life depended on it.
Which is all fine and dandy if you wanna do the "My equipment is better than you equipment" game. However, my sticks are Tools to perform a job, and make me money with, and any of them will do that. Get the one you like and use it...
My buddy plays with a $5.00 homemade sneaky pete with a 314 shaft on it and is all he will ever play with. He broke and ran 7 "8-ball racks" on my triple shimmed 9' Gold Crown III with Simonis 760 on it last night........
Maybe he could have ran 8 if he had a better cue
If you like what you have that's fine, just don't bang on someone elses cause it aint as nice as yours.....
Right On!!
Generally speaking - and I do mean just generally - most cue snobs just don't play that well! Equipment freaks (and I am one of them to a degree) put way too much emphasis on equipment....guarantee that $5 cuestick w/the 314 shaft, in the right hands, wins the cash from the Szamboti, Cog or whatever, in the wrong hands.
For what its worth - the same thing happens on the golf course. The guy with the latest and greatest irons/drivers/putters etc etc usually doesn't play that well. I was not real surprised after attending several major PGA tournaments to see the big guns were playing with the same equipment they've played with for 5 years plus.
Having the best equipment is a wonderful thing to be able to do but there's no justification for down chatting those who don't.
not a cue snob
I dont think this thread was about "my cues are better than your cues" or "me and my high $$ collectable cue can out play/shoot your cheapie cue" I understood it to be a statement of the current buying and selling of cues. Dak has a great collection and I agree the prices of these cues are high, but IMO not out of line. I believe its frustrating for sellers of collectable cues both here on the forum and on dealer websites to list a cue then have buyers offer "creative" trade plus cash deals to acquire that collectable.
Dak- if you ever want to unload a 4pt player Showman, Mottey, White or Searing... Give me a holler... and No I wont trade.... just $$$$
I dont think this thread was about "my cues are better than your cues" or "me and my high $$ collectable cue can out play/shoot your cheapie cue" I understood it to be a statement of the current buying and selling of cues. Dak has a great collection and I agree the prices of these cues are high, but IMO not out of line. I believe its frustrating for sellers of collectable cues both here on the forum and on dealer websites to list a cue then have buyers offer "creative" trade plus cash deals to acquire that collectable.
Dak- if you ever want to unload a 4pt player Showman, Mottey, White or Searing... Give me a holler... and No I wont trade.... just $$$$
Qjunkie said:I dont think this thread was about "my cues are better than your cues" or "me and my high $$ collectable cue can out play/shoot your cheapie cue" I understood it to be a statement of the current buying and selling of cues. Dak has a great collection and I agree the prices of these cues are high, but IMO not out of line. I believe its frustrating for sellers of collectable cues both here on the forum and on dealer websites to list a cue then have buyers offer "creative" trade plus cash deals to acquire that collectable.
Dak- if you ever want to unload a 4pt player Showman, Mottey, White or Searing... Give me a holler... and No I wont trade.... just $$$$
I think you are right. It wasn't a comment about mine is better than yours. I read it as the person was tired of fielding trade offers for cues that might not be currently hot, for cues that are smokin' right now. I understand exactly where that person was coming from.
Joe
Qjunkie said:I dont think this thread was about "my cues are better than your cues" or "me and my high $$ collectable cue can out play/shoot your cheapie cue" I understood it to be a statement of the current buying and selling of cues. Dak has a great collection and I agree the prices of these cues are high, but IMO not out of line. I believe its frustrating for sellers of collectable cues both here on the forum and on dealer websites to list a cue then have buyers offer "creative" trade plus cash deals to acquire that collectable.
Dak- if you ever want to unload a 4pt player Showman, Mottey, White or Searing... Give me a holler... and No I wont trade.... just $$$$
Original poster yes...ShaneS comments are what I was asking about, and have yet to read the answer.
Dak,
You've always had top shelf inventory and your prices, as a rule, reflective of RETAIL value. The quandry is most of the people that peruse these sites are not consumers. They, like you and I, are resellers who want to be "into" the cue at less than RETAIL.
You've always had top shelf inventory and your prices, as a rule, reflective of RETAIL value. The quandry is most of the people that peruse these sites are not consumers. They, like you and I, are resellers who want to be "into" the cue at less than RETAIL.