Revo 11.8 or 12.4?

[nataddrho]

Can pls clarify what is pivot point that you're speaking about? is it good to have longer pivot point with the 11.8 or is lesser pivot point better as in the case with 12.4? also do you mean the pivot where you put your cue in your bridge hand? that would be a pivot.

If you mean the place where the cue touches your bridge hand then do you mean with the 11.8 shaft you're bridge is much much longer than the 12.4, I mean if you have the bridge that long with the 11.8 in the case of 22", then I wonder how that looks on camera, must of be the longest bridge length ever? but then again my assumptions may be all wrong and I dont know what pivot point is.

Yes, the "pivot point" definition means "the location from the tip that your bridge hand contacts the shaft at the moment of impact, in which squirt cancels out the angle difference between the stroke velocity vector and cue ball velocity vector".

Yes, you indeed can play with a 22" bridge, but I don't. I use the 22" pivot point as a "virtual pivot point" and use front-hand-English to compensate for a shorter bridge. If you use the 12.4 with a 14" bridge, you don't really need any front-hand-English.

Of course I don't think about of any of this when I am playing, but the knowledge is useful when analyzing the behavior of a cue, and how you consistently "fall" onto the shot.

 

[bbb]

I find the deflection on the 11.8 is so low the pivot point is not that important
i have to adjust my aim alittle more with the 12.4
most times I just come down to my tip contact point with the spin there and don’t consciously do front and or back hand English

 

[nataddrho]

No shaft is going to outperform your tip precision. It isn't an equipment thing, its an awareness thing.

 

[smoochie]

Yes, the "pivot point" definition means "the location from the tip that your bridge hand contacts the shaft at the moment of impact, in which squirt cancels out the angle difference between the stroke velocity vector and cue ball velocity vector".

Yes, you indeed can play with a 22" bridge, but I don't. I use the 22" pivot point as a "virtual pivot point" and use front-hand-English to compensate for a shorter bridge. If you use the 12.4 with a 14" bridge, you don't really need any front-hand-English.

Of course I don't think about of any of this when I am playing, but the knowledge is useful when analyzing the behavior of a cue, and how you consistently "fall" onto the shot.

a 22" bridge pivot point would look ridiculous on tv/camera, I would be interested to see how that looks if you record yourself play the same shot once with 11.8 once with 12.4 revo's, to actually see the length of that shaft infront of your hand. Im just imagining it in my head and look ridiculous to me.

 

[Mirza]

I just looked and my 11.8 is 0.1oz heavier than my 12.4. Both 3/8x10 pins.

Could you please give us a little comparison review? Which one do you like and/or play with better? Comfort? Long shots? Deflection? I wanna know everything

Thank you in advance!

 

[BRussell]

a 22" bridge pivot point would look ridiculous on tv/camera, I would be interested to see how that looks if you record yourself play the same shot once with 11.8 once with 12.4 revo's, to actually see the length of that shaft infront of your hand. Im just imagining it in my head and look ridiculous to me.

Pivot point doesn’t mean that you’re actually using a pivot for english, it’s just a measure of deflection. Higher pivot point = lower deflection. You’re right, and I think a long bridge (i.e., a long pivot when using english) would reduce accuracy, because any little movement in your back hand would change your tip placement a lot more than if you’re using a shorter pivot point. No one is going to play with a 22” bridge. I use a lot of front-hand pivot for English with my low-deflection shaft. In effect, you’re using your back hand as the pivot point, which is too far but you can use a little of each, like this Dr. Dave article explains: https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2019/oct19.pdf

 

[nataddrho]

Pivot point doesn’t mean that you’re actually using a pivot for english, it’s just a measure of deflection. Higher pivot point = lower deflection.

Correct.

 

[smoochie]

Pivot point doesn’t mean that you’re actually using a pivot for english, it’s just a measure of deflection. Higher pivot point = lower deflection. You’re right, and I think a long bridge (i.e., a long pivot when using english) would reduce accuracy, because any little movement in your back hand would change your tip placement a lot more than if you’re using a shorter pivot point. No one is going to play with a 22” bridge. I use a lot of front-hand pivot for English with my low-deflection shaft. In effect, you’re using your back hand as the pivot point, which is too far but you can use a little of each, like this Dr. Dave article explains: https://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/2019/oct19.pdf

Oh, I remember watching video about this in the past from drdave and thought to myself, oh that is BS lol, sorry but sometimes I don't tend to automatically take information for granted. I like to critically think of things and relate them to the real word and if it coincides with what I see in the real world then I take them in my brain, but if they disagree with what I see in the real world then I just disregard them. Doesn't matter who says the information.

Regarding this I would say, how about them people who choke on the cue with their grip hand and still make all the shots in the world. I really don't know how grip can change the deflection I'm sorry.

Also to add, do you mean here that with the revo 11.8 I should move my grip hand backwards on the butt of the cue and with the 12.4 I should move it a little bit forward?

 

[ShootingArts]

Within design limitations the bigger the diameter the thinner the CF sidewall can be. The 12.4 is higher deflection

Oh, I remember watching video about this in the past from drdave and thought to myself, oh that is BS lol, sorry but sometimes I don't tend to automatically take information for granted. I like to critically think of things and relate them to the real word and if it coincides with what I see in the real world then I take them in my brain, but if they disagree with what I see in the real world then I just disregard them. Doesn't matter who says the information.

Regarding this I would say, how about them people who choke on the cue with their grip hand and still make all the shots in the world. I really don't know how grip can change the deflection I'm sorry.

Also to add, do you mean here that with the revo 11.8 I should move my grip hand backwards on the butt of the cue and with the 12.4 I should move it a little bit forward?

To step into the conversation uninvited, you will automatically shift your grip hand slightly to maintain your preferred balance of the cue.

Now to get a little controversial, both grip and weight of a cue will affect deflection slightly. Grip making less difference than a radical change in cue weight. The lowest deflection cue/shaft I ever played with was a twelve ounce snooker cue. The extra mass of a heavier cue creates greater inertia as one way of putting it. While the pure theory guys seem to disagree, there isn't any free ride. The total force is the same so when something changes on one side of the equation, something has to change on the other side too for it to remain true and equal.

Harder to prove grip since it is so individual but in my experiments with grip from dead loose letting the cue lay on my fingers to a death grip, grip does matter. I don't know that it matters much in the normal range of grips we normally use. I found that the very very loose grip worked poorly but all other grips up to and including maximum force worked the same after adjustments for that grip. I held the cue so tightly that it was very tiring and I woke the next morning with serious pain in my grip arm. It didn't affect playing ability.

Hu

 

[gregnice37]

Could you please give us a little comparison review? Which one do you like and/or play with better? Comfort? Long shots? Deflection? I wanna know everything

Thank you in advance!

I cannot. I've been bored since covid and bought 9 cues and like 9 new cf shafts and kept a few cues I had but sold a ton too. Haven't hit a ball in 20ish months with back issues.

 

[Kazbur]

I just looked and my 11.8 is 0.1oz heavier than my 12.4. Both 3/8x10 pins.

Strange. Mine is a uni-loc so maybe that's the issue. Most of the weight difference is in the front of the shaft though, so it would be weird if the joint causes the difference. Maybe a production error