revo deflection vs other LD shaft comparisons

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i thought i would start a thread
that would be easy to search for to get the info
if you have a revo cue/shaft and have tried other LD shafts could you post your opinion / list the shafts from low to lowest deflection
if there is any data that has measured this that would be great
thanks in advance
 
I have a variety of 314's and OB's. I personally cannot tell the difference deflection wise as I'm a very amateur shooter. I enjoy the Revo for it's constant smoothness, straightness, cleanliness, etc.
 
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My previous shaft selection evolved from Bobs Sharpshooter, OB, 314s, and settled for years on the Z2 followed by the Z3.
IMO, the 12.9 Revo is in the middle of the 314 and Z shaft.
I don't know about the 12.4 Revo yet because mine doesn't arrive until tomorrow....
 
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I own and shoot with a 314-3 and have tried the revo out for quite a while as well.

The deflection was not that big of a difference but I used the 12.9mm shaft which seemed very fat for a modern playing cue. the 12.4 seems like it would be a little too thin. I don't understand why predator just didn't come out with a 12.6/12.7 since that would be comfortable and familiar.

The revo is considerably more lively though than my 314-3 in terms of spin and ease of moving the cueball around. I'd say 20 percent or so. Very noticeable. On a crappy bar table this would be a big lift.

The hit is a little more "woody" and substantial than the 314-3.

Also, the black looks super cool on a cue with an ebony butt. That was stand out to me in particular.

The predator tip is total bullshit. who on earth plays with a soft tip in 2017.
 
As far as this thread goes: VERY interesting, please keep the reviews coming.
If somebody could compare the 11,Xmm BeCue against the REVO, then :lovies: :wub:

beneath_the_sur said:
20 minute mark for ld
2009 ICCS Cue Maker Round Table: http://youtu.be/Fdg36QHYJa8

Not much to deal with the op
It's just interesting hearing industry takes on the matter
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Hehe, I enjoyed that somehow! And then I didn't anymore and got angry.
Can't agree that this is the industry talking, it's a bunch of dudes doing woodstuff.
Industry means true mass production with low margins of error or difference.

Any cuemaker repeating the same mantra about "adjusting" still hasn't understood what it's about. LD is not a "fad". It is about intentionally removing all this adjusting and feeling and trying and crap; it's pure consistency, reproducability and make English shots easier.

Any cuemaker squirming or calling LD "a can of worms" or "taking away from the intelligence of the pool player" is not trustworthy in my book and he's still comparing horses to a train or car and "how great is it that it just needs some grass to work?".
Their speeches insult my intelligence.

Of couse they want to tell you how special everything is - it's their sole reason of existence to make people feel special.
The superior product has been made by other, mass-market producers for a long time now.

Cheers,
M
 
bbb said:
i thought i would start a thread
that would be easy to search for to get the info
if you have a revo cue/shaft and have tried other LD shafts could you post your opinion / list the shafts from low to lowest deflection
if there is any data that has measured this that would be great
thanks in advance
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My regular practise partner bought a Revo with the P3 butt. We ended up in a trade and I acquired it. After practising for a while with it I kept the butt and swapped the shaft back with him and he now uses it as a daily player and loves it.

The reason I swapped is because I normally use a Black Boar with a Vollmer 13.15mm ferrule-less shaft. This shaft is made with densely grained, sturdy maple with a fibre pad under the tip and as I understand is made to similar construction to the Black Boar ferrule-less shafts.

In conclusion the Vollmer has either the same or less deflection as the Revo and I prefer playing with it as it is made from solid maple and has a much nicer hit. IMHO
 
ChicagoRJ said:
I think the better question is, "who doesn't" ?? Most folks that I know use soft, and/or medium.
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Agreed, I posted in another thread that I have already experimented with various tips on the Revo.
I ranged from the SS/VS, Soft, Med, up to Hard and settled in on the soft with the stiffness of this shaft.
For several years my preference was Medium using OB, 314 or Z but with the Revo, my personal preference is a soft tip.
That said, maintenance isn't an issue for me since I do my own tips. If tip longevity is a big concern, I wouldn't have any reservations stepping up to a medium.
There will always be that preference and confidence factor with adequate practice to lock it in.
 
I play pretty well with a soft tip and most of the players I know play with it. Lol


maxeypad2007 said:
I own and shoot with a 314-3 and have tried the revo out for quite a while as well.

The deflection was not that big of a difference but I used the 12.9mm shaft which seemed very fat for a modern playing cue. the 12.4 seems like it would be a little too thin. I don't understand why predator just didn't come out with a 12.6/12.7 since that would be comfortable and familiar.

The revo is considerably more lively though than my 314-3 in terms of spin and ease of moving the cueball around. I'd say 20 percent or so. Very noticeable. On a crappy bar table this would be a big lift.

The hit is a little more "woody" and substantial than the 314-3.

Also, the black looks super cool on a cue with an ebony butt. That was stand out to me in particular.

The predator tip is total bullshit. who on earth plays with a soft tip in 2017.
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maxeypad2007 said:
The predator tip is total bullshit. who on earth plays with a soft tip in 2017.
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I like the Predator Victory tip. It was the one good thing about the 314-3 I got a few months ago...lol

To answer your question, according to Darren Appleton EVERY amateur should be using a soft tip. He and many other pros have said it on many occasions and you can find Appleton saying it on the SVB Appleton TAR report on You Tube.
 
Recently received the Revo 12.4 (actually 12.478); using a micrometer... My calipers rounded it up to 12.5.

After a few hours, a tip change, and a few more hours, the 12.4 will be my main shooter. Stands to reason as I was previously using small diameter Z shafts.
Without a mechanical verification method IMO, the deflection on the 12.4 is slightly less than the 12.9. The 12.4 on par with the Z2. I still feel that the Z3 has the least deflection but damn it feels small after 5 months with the 12.9 Revo.

Weight comparison using what I have on hand:
1. Revo 12.9 - 4.12 oz
2. Revo 12.9 - 4.06 oz
3. Revo 12.4 - 3.85 oz
4. Pred Z3 - 3.73 oz
5. Pred Z3 - 3.72 oz
6. Pred Z2 - 3.75 oz
7. Pred Z2 - 3.78 oz
8. Pred Vantage 4.19 oz
9. Pred Vantage 4.20 oz
10. Black Dots 4.36 & 4.34

Of course these are all used shafts with various degrees of remaining tip heights and/or potential moisture content if getting scientific.
A new loose tip is approx only .02 oz so not much there.
 
^ Thanks for sharing the data :smile: Rep to you and I must say that is quite collection of shafts to have on hand :thumbup:
 
Kimmo H. said:
^ Thanks for sharing the data :smile: Rep to you and I must say that is quite collection of shafts to have on hand :thumbup:
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Thanks
The Revo shafts came with the Predator 20th anniversary cues originally bought for our small cue collection but they became players because I really liked the feel during testing.
I just added the 12.4; couldn't help it...lol, I am very happy with the purchase though.
Between some collecting and having myself, wife, and two adult kids shooting in a couple of league a week, stuff seems to accumulate over the years.

If nothing else, we are certainly doing our share of keeping the industry going...ha.
It's a family thing and we enjoy the game; I can't remember a day when someone wasn't at least hitting balls.
 
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I just ordered my first LD shaft today.
I have a Samsara True Shaft coming for my McDermott, my original (20 yr. old) and only playing cue.
 
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